RIP Rasheed Cherry Facebook Page

Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:00pm  |  COMMENTS (81)

rasheed cherry facebook page.jpgSo far, 195 people have stopped by pay their digital respects to Rasheed Cherry, the 17-year-old suspect in Friday night’s carnival shooting, who died yesterday of gunshot wounds.

its crazy how the one we love life got tookin but tears cant and wont bring him back we just got to live him on !

The RIP Rasheed Cherry Facebook page is here.

81 Comments

  1. POSTED BY MIM  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

    Are you serious? This gun-toting criminal has a Facebook page where people can post tributes, and you publicize it? Nice.

  2. POSTED BY jerseygurl  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

    tookin? oh dear.

  3. POSTED BY Doc  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:23 pm

    What exactly was the point in posting this?
    Let the outrage and thinly veiled racial comments begin!
    As if there is any news in this or anything other than the utterly predictable to come from the comments.

  4. POSTED BY Blu  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

    I posted the link first because people were speculating about what kind of person he was. It’s a useful bit of info on what might have motivated his firing into a crowd of kids on the street. The fact that someone who was willing to take life so cheaply HAS a tribute page with hundreds of ‘friends’ should chill all of us. I also hope that the police make use of it to figure out who might next pick up a gun to continue on with this insanity.

  5. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

    While he was certainly a criminal, he was still loved by some, so the idea of a memorial to him is not objectionable to me.
    What is obviously, is why this is posted here. Sadly, clairda and dxrrxd may be right. IF to inform the public, is this going to be a new b-net feature (and why use the comment with the obvious grammar issues)? IF to be cute- by using that comment- it shows an lack of judgement and good taste.

  6. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

    Is there a facebook page for the victim where people can post their wishes for a speedy recovery and outrage at what occurred?

  7. POSTED BY Geoff Gove  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

    I agree, Blu. Interesting that he has hundreds of “Likers” but few if any comments — except for this thread and NJ.com stories. The intro statement sets a bad tone:
    “its crazy how the one we love life got tookin but tears cant and wont bring him back we just got to live him on !”

  8. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:43 pm

    I don’t know if only facebook members have access to the comments, but one takeaway is that the English department in the East Orange schools has done a gross disservice to these students.

  9. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 12:55 pm

    I’ve seen plenty of posts right here on this blog that would make English teachers in many cities and towns cringe. I also suspect that many people, especially younger ones, use a different sort of language and style when speaking among themselves than they do when they talk to “others”.
    And I’m wondering if Cherry’s victim might not be from the same sort of violent background. We don’t know that, do we? If he was, then it stands to reason that many of the more red-blooded posters I’ve seen here would wish for a relapse rather than a recovery.

  10. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

    Another “takeaway” is that both NJ.com (I couldn’t find it, but assuming it’s true) and b-net have showed us their willingness to fan the flames of hate/intolerance and bias that SOME folks have by using a specific quote that some may view and use, as dxrrxd said:
    “[T]o Let the outrage and thinly veiled racial comments begin! As if there is any news in this or anything other than the utterly predictable to come from the comments.”
    I would also add that in viewing the quote, it appears to be written as a poem or free verse, therefore, the writer certainly can be free to use non-standard grammar or punctuation to make his or her point– but as used here, out of context, it’s meaning is directly to what dxrrxd points out.

  11. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:06 pm

    I know this is off topic, but speaks volumes about the educational system that these kids are served by. I randomly clicked on one of the friends that posted on the facebook memorial. Disclaimer here, pure idle curiosity and not a creepy hobby. First among the things that this person “likes,” which is among the features of facebook, was the following: “I like teachers that let you eat, talk, text, and listen to music in class.”

  12. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:19 pm

    No it doesn’t cncrnd.
    It speaks volumes of one kid’s musing on facebook.
    That’s all.
    I’m sure there are suburban kids who have “I love HOT teachers” on their FB page.
    Not sure it “tells” or “speaks” to anything other than High School kids haven’t changed much over the years.
    Because the prof certainly also liked “teachers that let you eat, talk, text, and listen to music in class.”
    Okay. No texting as we used to pass notes in school. Or maybe write on a desk….

  13. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:27 pm

    Ah, a young man who would make the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. proud.
    Enough excuses — a note for all his friends: start being productive members of society, stay away from drugs, go to school and maybe you won’t end up in an early grave.

  14. POSTED BY mtcmom  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

    I’m with Prof and dxrrxd on this one. No real point to the story other than to elicit some of the usual comments. And as for the facebook posting by the kid who likes the teacher who lets him get away with stuff – duh! I think it’s neither an indictment of the educational system or this kid. There have always been teachers that were clueless or gave up and there have always been kids who will be happy to goof off in class.

  15. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

    I found this posting informative, and since I’m on FB I could access the comments. For me, reading the kids’ tributes certainly put more of a face on this young man. For example, the fact that he livened up his six-grade class indicates a charming class clown with potential leadership qualities. Nevertheless, in keeping with a wish for more information regarding this young man’s upbringing I’d be interested in his teachers’ knowing assessments.
    The street language used on FB to express sentiments struck me and although I recognize teens’ abilities to employ a dialect unique to their life style I’m also quite sure than many of them would have difficulty expressing their thoughts using accepted form and structure of the written word in order to inform or persuade.
    Society has failed them. (This written from the pen of a staunch individualist) And society will continue to deal with the consequences of poorly educated youth!!!!!!!

  16. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

    cmeinmontclair,
    Are you really bringing up MLK?
    Obviously you only know “I have a dream” King (though you probably never even read the whole speech….)
    Because any further study of him will tell you that despite your dumb and reductive statement, he would hate sin this kid committed, but love him. And he would recognize that while this kid’s actions were his own and he has paid the ultimate price for them, he is nonetheless a product of a culture and society that he may perceive as placing no value on him. (And judging from some comments here, this perception may be correct).
    But if you just know King from your cursory, grade school introduction, I can’t imagine you would understand.

  17. POSTED BY cathar  |  May 12, 2010 @ 1:59 pm

    I too certainly suspect Baristanet of shamelessly milking the matter with this item (and also of pandering to the worst impulses of certain selected audience segments). But there’ve been several obviously slow news days of late, posts in general have been down…
    As for the functional illiteracy on display on the Facebook page (on paid ads on it as well as on those “tributes”), good prof williams, it’s more or less the same as the actual language used in OJ’s old “love notes” to Nicole (which the New York Times famously cleaned up before running excerpts from). What, you expected something better from incipient would-be heirs to Nicky Barnes? The prose is thus fine in that it gives you a real flavor for what polite, law-abiding society in general is up against here , in other words.

  18. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

    We’re way beyond passing notes and writing on desks here. We’re talking about chaos in the classroom. Teachers are supposed to do their job, which is TO TEACH. Look at the outcome. These kids aren’t getting an education. And they are bleeding the taxpayers dry to support this broken system. How can a kid learn anything while simultaneously listening to his i-pod, texting his pals and eating a bag of doritos? And that is assuming that the “teacher” isn’t also doing all of those same things during class because he has tenure, a powerful union, endless taxpayer money, and no expectation of achieving any educational goals.

  19. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

    Well said DagT

  20. POSTED BY Caphilly  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:05 pm

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.
    Matthew 26:52

  21. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:12 pm

    I share cncrnd’s outrage!
    I managed to gain access to several facebook pages from Montclair Kimberly Academy students. To protect their identities, I’ll only give first names. Here are some of the entries I discovered:
    1. From “Brittany”” “OMG! I am SO pissed at the sub for Mr. Harris. Today, he told us that we could chill for the period since he didn’t know exactly what we were working on in class. Samantha and I showed him the lesson plans, and we made it quite clear that we wanted to work on our Chaucer analysis all period. And in the original langauge as well! That’s right, “the draught of March hath pierced to the roote” and all the rest of it. Imagine! Trying to let 45 productive minutes go by!”
    2. From “Tyler”: “I went to guidance today and told them that I want out of Ms Jackson’s AP Chem class. This is just too easy. I’ve already spoken to NYU and they’re willing to let me come over there after school from 4 to 8 three times a week to take an advanced class there. I mean, who wants to just hang every day?”
    3. From Ms Kennedy, veteran German teacher” “Ach du lieber! These kids are driving me crazy! Its not enough that they translated THE SATANIC VERSES into German, now they want a field trip to Lancaster county so that they can tackle the Bible in High German! Just once, I wish they’d relax a bit!”
    You can easily see why those lazy city kids continue to chill and fail, while the good kids do what’s right!

  22. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

    In response to Prof’s comments …..
    “he is nonetheless a product of a culture and society that he may perceive as placing no value on him.”
    Bleeding heart liberals like you are soooo annoying.
    There are so many unfortunate kids out there who some how manage to stay away from guns & drugs, do their homework, and don’t shoot at people into a crowd at carnivals. I’m over it — time for punks like this to grow up & stop whining about their circumstances. There are PLENTY of opportunities out there for kids from the wrong side of the tracks to do well. They just have to take advantage of what’s offered to them — especially in a town like montclair. We’re not in 1960, no one is sitting in the back of the bus, in fact being a minority gives you a leg up in most academic and professional situations. Ever read the crime blotter in Montclair?? How long are you going to give these kids who (in your words here) ‘MAY perceive society as not caring about them’ a pass??
    Hmmm….maybe until they break into your house or hurt someone you love.

  23. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:15 pm

    Judge not, that ye not be judged.
    Matthew, 7:1

  24. POSTED BY Conan  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:16 pm

    “How can a kid learn anything while simultaneously listening to his i-pod, texting his pals and eating a bag of doritos?”
    Multi-tasking. Kids are good at it. They are sometimes really bad at figuring out which tasks are the important ones, but they multi-task well.

  25. POSTED BY cathar  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:17 pm

    I also find it interesting that some 195 members-in-presumed-good-standing to date of a portion of society others are suggesting is basically worthless and no-count (and definitely snoozed collectively through English classes going by its posts) have access to computers and enough technical savvy to set up and post on a Facebook page. (But then, even bike clubs, supposedly peopled by the few surviving Neaderthals, usually have fairly sophisticated websites these days.)
    Does anyone in fact know who Rasheed Cherry’s shooting victim is, and what if any was their personal or business relationship?

  26. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

    Damn right! Minorities have it easy! They get everything! It sucks to be a white male!

  27. POSTED BY Mrs. Martta123  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:20 pm

    “…Time for punks like this to grow up & stop whining about their circumstances. There are PLENTY of opportunities out there for kids from the wrong side of the tracks to do well. They just have to take advantage of what’s offered to them — especially in a town like montclair. We’re not in 1960, no one is sitting in the back of the bus, in fact being a minority gives you a leg up in most academic and professional situations.”
    What Cmein said. There are more opportunities today than ever before, I might add.

  28. POSTED BY bebopgun  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

    And let’s stop blaming teachers. teachers don’t have THAT much power.

  29. POSTED BY Mrs. Martta123  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

    “I also find it interesting that some 195 members-in-presumed-good-standing to date of a portion of society others are suggesting is basically worthless and no-count (and definitely snoozed collectively through English classes going by its posts) have access to computers and enough technical savvy to set up and post on a Facebook page. (But then, even bike clubs, supposedly peopled by the few surviving Neaderthals, usually have fairly sophisticated websites these days.)”
    Anyone with access to a computer (and that includes in a library–you don’t even have to own one) can set up a Facebook page. It’s not rocket science.

  30. POSTED BY cathar  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:25 pm

    For some of us, Mrs. Martta, it is so akin to rocket science, honest.

  31. POSTED BY Mike91  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

    For some of us, Mrs. Martta, it is so akin to rocket science, honest.
    “In my day, we didn’t have things such as faceybook and twitterst! We connected the old fashioned way! Three beeps and a dot on the old telegraph, and I knew my Sally was a-comin for a visit.”

  32. POSTED BY Mrs. Martta123  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

    LOL, don’t feel bad, Cathar…I still don’t understand the “point” of Twitter, even though I have an account.

  33. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

    cmeinmontclair,
    Calling me a liberal? You haven’t been here long, huh?
    Likewise, your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. I specifically wrote, “he is nonetheless a product of a culture and society that HE MAY PERCEIVE as placing no value on him.”
    Get it? It’s his perception.
    Likewise, if you really believe that minorities have a LEG UP, well… let’s just say that’s about the funniest comment of the decade.
    But if being Black and poor is a leg up, I’d like to see how those not so “fortunate” have it.

  34. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

    Location, location, location!!!!! Many of those “lazy kids” simply DO NOT have the same opportunities as those children in Montclair K A. Human potential exists in every corner of our world. The trick is to tap it. A daunting task but I continue to hold to Christa McAuliffe’s vision, “I touch the future. I teach.”
    And I will continue to challenge the failures in the public system of education administrators first and teachers next. No one forced these people to enter the teaching profession but once they did they owe their charges nothing less than the very best.

  35. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:42 pm

    Hey prof….
    got your quote right, Einstein. I did not misconstrue the meaning at all — I think you are the one who is intellectually challenged.
    I never said being poor or black gives you a leg up — but it’s not an excuse to turn into a thug. There are plenty of good opportunities for those who want to go the right path.
    Get it, genious??

  36. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:52 pm

    “in fact being a minority gives you a leg up in most academic and professional situations”
    cmeinmontclair at 2:13 PM
    “I never said being poor or black gives you a leg up.”
    cemeinmontclair at 2:42 PM
    Of course, anyone can get confused, right?
    Doesn’t mean you’re not a “genious”.

  37. POSTED BY BaristaPet  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:57 pm

    a rainy day has made everyone bitter and twitchy today huh?
    chill guys! Play some relaxing music, have a nice cup of tea and a muffin!

  38. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

    If you’re going to deny that there is a high demand and very favorable view towards intelligent, well-spoken, driven minorities you are a fool. Getting into good colleges, in many professions — it’s a fact.
    I never said coming from a rough neighborhood being poor and black gives you a leg up — I said, there are plenty of opportunities out there for those who want to make it.
    Do I need to translate some more? Reading comprehension is a difficult thing to develop. Try reading a little slower, perhaps (:

  39. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

    Is the demand even higher if those minorities are intelliegent, well-spoken, driven AND CLEAN?
    You’d better get in touch with the moderators, cemein. Someone keeps inserting that “leg up” term into your posts — you know, the term you never used.

  40. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:04 pm

    WOW — you’re a nut. “Clean” ?? not even sure how to respond.
    Good luck to you -

  41. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

    Let me take a page from your book, cemein.
    I never said clean.

  42. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

    One last try — I DID say leg up…
    being a minority can give you a leg up in many academic or professional situations.
    that’s IF you want a leg up — just being a thug from a poor neighborhood doesn’t give you anything. if you have a good attitude (‘I’m going to make it one way or another!’) you will. There are too many examples of kids from the wrong side of the tracks who believed they could and DID make it.
    But I truly think your comeback “clean” was strange and WAY off base.
    No more excuses for these kids — how long is this going to continue. Choices DO have consequences.

  43. POSTED BY miscthree  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

    i don’t care if he was funnier than Pryor or The Dice, or smarter than the valedictorian at MKA, this clown opened fire into a crowd at a carnival. No tears here.
    And the facebook tribute does nothing to help whatever his life stood for.
    In short i like the prof’s comments!

  44. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

    I’ll give you a hint about “clean”, cemein.
    Think Joe Biden.
    your comments betray a willful ignorance, a simplistic world-view, and not a little bigotry.
    In my opinion, of course.
    But you needn’t “try” anymore. I think I understand where you’re coming from just fine.

  45. POSTED BY lockarnr  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:39 pm

    i would love to see some those critical of east orange public school teachers try to substitute teach there. then get back to me and let me know how easy it is. i don’t claim that all of the east orange teachers are good or bad. i am sure their staff runs the gamut of quality. but i guarantee it would be the toughest job you’ve ever had.

  46. POSTED BY ogie_oglethorpe  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

    you have yet to explain how being a minority can give you a leg up. and by leg up it can only be presumed you mean in comparison to a non-minority, ie. someone who is white.
    would love to hear your explanation.

  47. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 3:45 pm

    “And let’s stop blaming teachers. teachers don’t have THAT much power.”
    Any teacher that can’t make a student turn off their i-pod, put away their phone, and pay attention isn’t worth a bowl of warm spit. I hope you were kidding with that comment, and if you weren’t, I really hope that you’re not in any way involved in education.
    Conan, You make an excellent point. Maybe these kids are really world class multi-taskers. Great post.

  48. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

    In response to the following….
    “you have yet to explain how being a minority can give you a leg up. and by leg up it can only be presumed you mean in comparison to a non-minority, ie. someone who is white.”
    Do you really not understand this? Really? Let me see if I can explain this without inflaming the liberal masses too badly….
    Take local t.v. news for example as an industry. Ever notice how every newscast has a black/hispanic/asian anchor & a caucasian anchor. If you count the number of minorities on the air vs. whites, minorities win. This is not by accident. How reporters routinely change their name to be something like Roderiquez, Martinez, etc. Many times just because they want to appear to be a minority so they can get the job!
    Companies like to show diversity — nothing wrong with that. Not saying EVERY industry is this way, but if there is a black candidate and a white candidate equally qualified, the black candidate many times will have a leg up because of unspoken “quotas.” Not in every case, but in many.
    So my original point was, if Rasheed had been a young man more interested in getting out of a bad situation instead of shooting into a crowd at a carnival, he could have gone some where — there ARE opportunities. I can’t stand hearing about how “he is nonetheless a product of a culture and society that he may perceive as placing no value on him,” as PROF wrote. It’s ridiculous! Stop the excuses, please!

  49. POSTED BY peggy  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:20 pm

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  50. POSTED BY Kay  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:20 pm

    Dear Baristas,
    While you must know how I adore you in general, I tend to agree that this posting was probably not in very good taste. I would much rather have you update us on the status of the 13-year old who was beaten nearly to death at Watsessing Park a couple of weeks ago. Thank you.

  51. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

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  52. POSTED BY tudlow  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

    Thank you, cncrnd, what an incredible service you have provided for us today. Pat yourself on the back!
    Seriously, Baristanet, why did you post this story? Pointless and in poor taste, indeed.

  53. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:39 pm

    If cemein needs something to do, he/she might try reading Richard Morin’s still-timely piece in the Washington Post, “Misperceptions Cloud Whites’ View of Blacks” from the July 11 2001 issue.
    This piece nicely illustrates the “leg up” theory put forward by our resident race expert.

  54. POSTED BY NNN9495  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

    Please, please PLEASE remove this!!!

  55. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:45 pm

    “Take local t.v. news for example as an industry. Ever notice how every newscast has a black/hispanic/asian anchor & a caucasian anchor.”
    Clearly you’re not watching FOX featuring a force of blondes. Pass cmeinmontclair the eyewash while I look for a few raven hair beauties.

  56. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

    I said LOCAL t.v. news

  57. POSTED BY MTV  |  May 12, 2010 @ 6:16 pm

    “Any teacher that can’t make a student turn off their i-pod, put away their phone, and pay attention isn’t worth a bowl of warm spit.”
    The other night, my husband and I were in Greek Taverna, a lovely Montclair restaurant. A well-dressed, well-manicured family of four came in to eat. The mother and father engaged their daughter in conversation, while the son sat opposite his parents, saying nothing. As far as we could tell, he had on large headphones, connected to his iPod. When not changing his current playlist, he was texting on his iPhone. The parents asked several times if he would stop; he was unresponsive.
    If parents can’t get their own children to “turn off their i-pod, put away their phone, and pay attention,” what do you expect teachers can do? We can’t even make the potential threats a parent could–those land us in court.
    (And, yes, cncrnd, I meant “we”. You’ll be much saddened to learn that I am “involved in education”; I’m an experienced teacher whose classroom uses more tech-savvy materials than most.)
    P.S. Baristas, I add my voice. Please take down this ridiculous item.

  58. POSTED BY cncrnd  |  May 12, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

    No excuse for poor parenting. How a family looks doesn’t directly correlate with good parenting skills either. Often narcissistic type A parents are too engrossed in their own pursuits. This, however, does not absolve you as a teacher from controlling the behavior of your students and making them focus on the tasks assigned to them. That is within your power as a teacher. If you can’t deal, it seems like you are too weak for the task. Confirms my tuition payments are well spent.

  59. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 12, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

    Sometimes MTV, as a teacher you need to help your students grow, despite poor parenting. Can you only do your job with the assistance of parents? I certainly hope not.

  60. POSTED BY marymontclair  |  May 12, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

    The brains a bit sluggish today….sarcasm right?

  61. POSTED BY jerseydevil  |  May 12, 2010 @ 8:20 pm

    Call me un-PC, but I for one am glad this S.O.B. is dead. Someone who shows such blatant disregard for human life–and who, by the way, would probably be back on the streets doing the exact same thing in a couple years thanks to our broken justice system, got his just desserts. Good shootin’ Bloomfield PD! Our tax money well-spent for once!

  62. POSTED BY reneecagg  |  May 13, 2010 @ 6:49 am

    What a joke he shoot someone and know he gets a FB page what about the poor innocent people who went to the fair to have a nice time, cant do that anymore all it takes is one person. Go to his web page on FB and send a report on the bottom select “violence” lets get the page removed!

  63. POSTED BY Rob  |  May 13, 2010 @ 9:50 am

    and why use the comment with the obvious grammar issues
    prof: Are you being sarcastic? The comment posted by B-net is the only thing from that tribute page I can read without a translator.

  64. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 13, 2010 @ 10:16 am

    Rob,
    Unfortunately, your post is EXACTLY what I– AND OTHERS– fear the baristas wanted when they posted this.
    (As for the grammar, read my post of 1pm yesterday.)
    I will also reiterate, this guy is an animal and got what he deserved.
    However, he had people who loved him and if they want to memorialize him nobody should stop them. So those who would wish to limit their memorial, by suggesting taking the page down, should take a deep breath and move on to something else.
    Even the condemned are allowed their last rites, religious counseling and the opportunity to say goodbye to loved ones.
    (Understand, I wish ALL these animals end up dead!!! But I cannot object to those who wish to memorialize them afterwards.)
    I DO object to the barista’s bad taste in posting it.

  65. POSTED BY Rob  |  May 13, 2010 @ 10:54 am

    prof: I’m still a little confused by your post.
    Are you suggesting B-net intentionally picked a poorly worded quote from the facebook page in an effort to get people riled up and racist?
    Just to make my point clear. I’m saying the quote they selected is the most reasonable comment on that facebook page. I can’t quote directly as I’m at work right now, but most of those comments were littered with vulgarity. In fact, if you printed out all the comments, put them on a wall and tossed a dart – you’d get much worse than its crazy how the one we love life got tookin but tears cant and wont bring him back we just got to live him on !. That’s actually kinda nice.
    As to everything else (he’s an animal, he got what he deserved, this tribute should/shouldn’t be allowed, etc) I just don’t give a crap.

  66. POSTED BY Doc  |  May 13, 2010 @ 10:58 am

    Cmeinmontclair: you are so so sadly misguided. It’s nearly laughable. But I cannot on an anonymous message board hope to change your mind when you believe things like the ease of getting a job as a minority because some companies like to meet quotas. I’m sorry you feel that way and I’m sorry for the circumstances that led you to that terribly incorrect conclusion.
    For everyone else: Listen, this young man shot someone. We don’t know the story and maybe we don’t really need to. He made a bad choice. For all we know, he could have been a smart kid with a ton of potential or he could have been a perpetual troublemaker. He shot someone, he got killed by police. There is nothing good about that. He was loved by someone, just as we all are…. we hope. So his friends will mourn his life. They are teenagers, kids really. Those on this site who love to pretend they are so hip to “how the kids talk today” and are on Facebook themselves (isn’t everyone here admitting they are using Facebook?) aren’t horrified by the weird postings and childish rants of their own kids, but we are up in arms over these? (Partially of course because your kids make sure you don’t see all of their online life.) Not only is there the issue of a dialect being used but this is something no one over the age of 40 seems to understand… it’s a shorthand used on Facebook, in texts, etc., It does not necessarily mean the decline of civilization. You mean to tell me when you were 16 everything you said to your friends would have been interpreted as brilliant by adults?
    There will be many smart kids to graduate from East Orange High School and do very well in life. Some of them will be the same kids who post “luv dat [word removed by editors]” on Rasheed’s page. They, do, however face massive challenges that your kids safely ensconced in MKA or Montclair High have no concept of. It’s not an excuse. It’s a reality. No one is excusing what this kid did. It’s terrible and it’s sad. And thank god Bloomfield’s police officers reacted as they did. But for a bunch of middle age people in Montclair, New Jersey to sit on computers and briefly peruse some Facebook pages and think that gives insight into the lives of these kids or the state of education in America, or anything, is a joke.
    Any person who dies is going to be mourned by someone. I still say the editors of this site know that this posting had no newsworthiness and did not lend itself to a useful conversation.

  67. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 13, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

    dxrrxd
    You points are nicely stated, most of which I agree with. However, I do not agree with the lack of newsworthiness of the post. It highlighted the loss of a tragic human being and the responses of his peers to his death. There are enough posts here to indicate an interest. I doubt very much that it facilitated any more prejudice in any of the posters that didn’t already exist in said poster. I also think the many judgments posted as to the value of this young man provides an insight to the very steep mountain that still needs climbing in order to achieve “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” for all.

  68. POSTED BY Iceman  |  May 13, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

    Agreed, this posting is in bad taste but don’t remove it. The good part of this Blog from the start has been that the Editor’s (for the most part)let all viewpoints be expressed.

  69. POSTED BY Tarkus697  |  May 13, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

    The page on FB now has a link to this Baristanet post.

  70. POSTED BY cmeinmontclair  |  May 13, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

    As for Dag’s comment …..”I also think the many judgments posted as to the value of this young man provides an insight to the very steep mountain that still needs climbing in order to achieve ‚Äúlife, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness‚Äù for all.”
    GIVE ME A BREAK! Are you for real?

  71. POSTED BY kyle41181  |  May 13, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

    dxrrxd,
    “I still say the editors of this site know that this posting had no newsworthiness and did not lend itself to a useful conversation.”
    I think it should read:
    “I still say the editors of this site know that this posting had no newsworthiness and would lend itself to no useful conversation, but drive up impressions, clicks, and comments to fulfill ad-revenue demand!”

  72. POSTED BY quakevix038  |  May 13, 2010 @ 1:45 pm

    By looking at the Facebook picture posing with his fellow Gangbangers, This Vermin got what he deserved. I don’t want to hear Society or the Educational System fail him. I came from a rough neighborhood where 98% of my freinds or either dead or in Jail. But it was MY CHOICE not to follow in their footsteps and made myself a productive member of Society. Lets stop making excuses for these Thugs.

  73. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 13, 2010 @ 2:17 pm

    Rob,
    Intentional YES. This post, not that it was posted in the first place, but what was included in the post is telling (uninformed, lacking and tasteless too).
    Not sure what you mean by racist. I certainly don’t think it was racist to post this. I think it was dumb and graceless.
    And by the posts here, I’m not alone is thinking it.
    So rather than it including a reasonable understanding of the FB memorial, b-net chose to sensationalize in a way to illicit base comments.
    It worked…..

  74. POSTED BY cathar  |  May 13, 2010 @ 2:41 pm

    Well, prof, good prof, if your purpose above was to “illicit” further comments, you’ve certainly elicited one here from me. About your own seemingly frequent ignoring of the rules of grammar and the niceties of spelling in this English language of ours. Asleep at the switch again, eh?
    Was the original item newsworthy? No. Instead, it was most likely the product of the Baristas’ own considerable cynicism here, and of their corresponding need to generate hits to this site. (Perhaps what this site really needs in such instances is a “public editor” a la Clark Hoyt at the Times and I hereby nominate the ever affable walleroo.)
    I’m also still waiting for an explication of the original carvial shooting incident. Only the nuttiest of crazos shoots into a crowd without a specific target or targets in mind, and I still have never read either the original victim’s name and what if any business or social relationship he may have had with the late, clearly lamented by some, Rasheed Cherry.

  75. POSTED BY Rob  |  May 13, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

    Not sure what you mean by racist.
    dxrrxd suggested this post would stir up “thinly veiled racist comments” and you agreed.
    That’s what I meant by racist.

  76. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 13, 2010 @ 5:08 pm

    What is “newsworthy”? Isn’t that a subjective judgment?

  77. POSTED BY cathar  |  May 13, 2010 @ 6:50 pm

    Well, DagT, there is the old bit (actually taught in J school) that “Dog Bites Man” isn’t much of a headline, but “Man Bites Dog” constitutes news.
    Someone, somewhere (I seem to recall they’re often called “editors,” and they’re generally also ultimately responsible for the actual quality of the writing, proofreading, etc.) has to make such decisions. I can only assume you’ve simply forgotten the New York Times’ boast of “All the news that’s fit to print.”
    There is too, however, the concept of a slow news day. This leads to all manner of editorial conniptions. (Never seen a photo from a hot summer’s day of a kid frying an egg in the street?) Personally, on a site like this, I’d just ride out such a day rather than print certain items (and it used to be much, much worse here), but advertisers do want to be apprised of site traffic. Hence, say, those police blotter listings, which someplace like Camden would probably just indicate Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm is in residence but here seem to arouse fear and even vigilante-like comments.
    You may even think (o heresy!) that everything “reported” on during a show like “Entertainment Tonight” hardly constitutes news. But some editor has in fact approved such piffle for airing. It is always thus. Someone’s hand is always supposed to be on the editorial tiller, whether it’s at the Enquirer or The Atlantic. And if you disagree that vehemently, well, as A.J. Liebling once said, “Freedom of the press belongs to whoever who owns one” (or something like that). So you could always start your own website or publication.

  78. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  May 13, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

    cathar,
    I can always count on you to point out my misspellings and grammatical lapses.
    So, thank you.
    You, however, did hit it when you violated that “cathar rule” of the baristanet comment guidelines. You know the “Don‚Äôt bore us ‚Äì and everyone else” rule that admonishes (you) to never dare call a post out by tagging it “a slow news day.”
    So I’ll table my huff and join with those how rightfully question the need for this post.

  79. POSTED BY cathar  |  May 13, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

    Prof, I wouldn’t be so quick to point out your grammatical and spelling failings if you didn’t style yourself as, well, a “prof.” But then, as you’ve pointed out yourself here a few times, we live in a time of declning standards.
    As to the rule where the Baristas say “don’t bore us…,” well, they bore us often enough. So if this rule is in fact aimed at little ole me, I take comfort from that. Anyway, prof, good prof, even in these days of shaky standards even for academics like yourself, your vain efforts at mere wind somehow never seem to blow the dust off of even just a half-slow news day. Why is that, you think?
    And no or sloooowww news never dissuades you from posting at length, I’ve also noticed. Those “who can’t” traditionally go into teaching, so goes the old canard. They may also these days post at wearying, bafflingly structured and punctuated length.

  80. POSTED BY Whatsupwiththat  |  May 13, 2010 @ 11:18 pm

    No Leg UP? We have a affirmative action, white guilt(according to the perjurer in chief) President for Christ’s sake!
    What are you guys making that claim? Morons?

  81. POSTED BY DagT  |  May 13, 2010 @ 11:37 pm

    I don’t disagree with your last post. It seems to confirm what I thought. Subjectivity rules in news land. The posters here have voted on the efficacy of this entry but is seems likely that for or against most will be back. Counting the number of posts it is also likely advertisers will continue here as well.
    As for the New York Times boast it should be more like “All the news that’s fit to slant.”
    Blog on!

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