Blog: Mr. Sharpton, This Is Not About Race

BY  |  Saturday, Aug 09, 2014 10:13am  |  COMMENTS (66)

Thomas Russo, former Montclair Chief of Police and Director of Public Safety, published “From Street Kid to Top Cop” in 2004.

As a retired law enforcement executive and presently a professional consultant in matters of Police Policy and Procedures, I cannot remain silent in two recent media cases involving the infamous “Choke Hold Case in New York City” , and the recent “EXECUTION” of two Essex County teenagers

Cheyanne Bond, 17, a innocent, beautiful, intelligent Irvington Cheerleader and Brendan Tevlin, 19, a handsome, promising graduate of Seaton Hall Prep.

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In the New York City case, The Rev. Al Sharpton while sitting next to the Mayor of New York City, remarked “New York Police are trained to use choke holds on blacks,” I find Sharpton’s remark inflammatory irresponsible and reprehensible. As a consultant, I have learned you don’t come to any conclusions until all of the facts are examined and analyzed. Sharpton should thank God that in this country he is entitled to his opinion under the protection of his First Amendment Rights This case was a tragic event for both the family of the deceased and the police officers involved. As a professional Law Enforcement Executive, I have complete confidence in the judicial system of the United States of America that justice will be served.

In the case of “Cheyanne & Brendan” I have not heard a peep from the Rev. Sharpton. What type of animal makes a 17-year-old girl get on her knees, stand behind her and shoots her in the head? In Brendan’s case he was savagely shot eight times in and around the head for no reason other then to rob him, then dumped onto the passenger’s side of the vehicle left to die.

Mr. Sharpton this is not about race. Cheyanne was black, and Brendan was white. This is about the senseless killing of two vibrant young people. The four men responsible for these brutal murders must be dealt with swiftly and sternly to the fullest extent regarding appropriate punishment as provided by existing laws.

66 Comments

  1. POSTED BY Sula  |  August 10, 2014 @ 10:56 am

    What do these two tragic cases have to do with Rev Sharpton or the Griner case? Really poor connection. Different from the Griner case, the perps have been arrested and charged for the killings. The officers have not.
    Which Baristanet editor decided to publish this?

  2. POSTED BY cathar  |  August 10, 2014 @ 11:08 am

    What is the “Griner case?”

    Other than that, the post is somewhat misconceived. Any attempt to connect Al Sharpton’s predictable grandstanding re Garner (who, let us not forget, possessed an awful lot of priors in his past and was hardly an innocent based on his arrest record) and two criminal outrages in New Jersey (and really, we should be thanking the deity that Sharpton deigns not to involve himself in either killing) simply does not work. As former Chief Russo especially should know.

    So I too don’t quite know why this post merited publication.

  3. POSTED BY Sula  |  August 10, 2014 @ 11:40 am

    I was referring Garner. And I also don’t know why his prior arrests play a role. But that’s another discussion for another topic.

  4. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  August 10, 2014 @ 12:14 pm

    Wow. I thought we dropped the “How come Sharpton doesn’t protest {insert local murder case here, hopefully one with a white victim}?” years ago.

    The tragic deaths of these beautiful kids certainly deserves attention, but believing that only the “Sharpton Touch” convenes this puts far too much import on him. (Kinda like MSNBC, the weight loss, tailored suits– none of it will wipe the beloved track-suit wearing, processed hair sportin’, and gold medallion hanging image of Rev. Al that many of us remember*.)

    Because– Al only cares about those cases with a heap of media attention- hasn’t Mr. Russo been watching? I will add that his attention IS valuable in bringing the media- but only when he sees a racial angle.

    Still, I get the impression of Mr. Russo imagining himself not sitting quietly during that odd press conference with NYC Mayor deBlasio and Police Commissioner Bratton, but speaking up!! Instead, Mr. Russo gets a Baristanet Blog Post. Oh, well……

    (*I should add that I have marched with Al Sharpton, and met with him on the streets of Harlem back in the day.)

  5. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  August 10, 2014 @ 12:15 pm

    (He has yet to visit the Estate in UPPER Montclair, but he knows he has an open invite.)

  6. POSTED BY gifro220  |  August 10, 2014 @ 12:18 pm

    Mr. Russo should thank a deity that he was able to comprehend Rev. Al Sharpton’s dialogue. Responding to what is commonly noted as nearly completely incomprehensible dialogue by validating it’s imaginary broad support is as dysfunctional as the system which has created this issue. If certain police officers weren’t so quick to acknowledge the dysfunctional and then make a public statement their own public image would be more credible with many who view shutting down a bridge during a workday as disruptive to society. As for the remainder of society which are atheist this post reasserts needless moral and assumptions to the followers of religion. Dealing with the facts makes it plainly obvious that this is simply a racialist(Mr. Russo) responding to someone who self purports to be a surrogate for African American “causes.” The cause of African Americans is the same as any other person to create a dialogue which juxtapositions human rights or civilization is a reactionary throwback reminding myself of why I am proud to not have been raised during the period of time these old men represent. To continue a racialized dialogue shows there is a deep and existing condition within many of these old men and women who simply can’t come to terms with humanity without appearing to be racists or racialists. And if Mr. Russo believes that being grateful that someone isn’t threatened with death or imprisonment isn’t a option, I would add why and how is that relevant to Americans. Who are you Mr. Russo the boogie-man, and if this what perverse alternatives there may be in this world have no place in our American society, thank you for exposing your reasoning. I can now clearly assign to you the label of old man. There was never any need for you to escalate Mr. Sharpton’s dialogue into a band-aid you don’t represent me and you certainly seem to give credibility to Mr. Sharpton’s remarks which I will not ever concede. You are misguided. It is obvious when people act as though violence and race are the alernatives to what American Society represents, someone becomes an aggresor that is the aggressors problem to deal with from there on out. Maybe if things like football and MMA weren’t popular people wouldn’t operate on a level where they imagine that a citizen who leaves a gym has become healthier so that he can transform into some gladiator spectacle. Some men and women would like to think of their bodies and others as their own property and there is an unspoken respect. Obviously these three citizens were violated when their bodies where maligned. That is not to say there aren’t court issues involving Mens rea and prior delinquency both of which have no place in American society. #PostRacialistSociety

  7. POSTED BY johnqp  |  August 10, 2014 @ 12:30 pm

    Gifro220 : please elaborate.

  8. POSTED BY gifro220  |  August 10, 2014 @ 1:10 pm

    @johnqp I’m on my way to Starbucks…

  9. POSTED BY cathar  |  August 10, 2014 @ 2:45 pm

    Well, Sula, the romanticization of “Griner” in fact begins with willful ignorance of the dead man’s many priors (including a distinct propensity for resisting arrest, he was charged with that one at least twice before). Then we move on to the grieving family, who seem to be speaking of some fondly remembered saint. We follow up with a racialist demonization of the police, without any real investigation to date. And lastly we top the whole sundae off with the cherry of Al Sharpton, who clearly spends a great deal of time seeking anvils of racial divisiveness which he can strike in hopes of rousing his power base.

    None of this truly serves justice.

    That you possibly have palled around with Al, prof, good prof, is not necessarily to your credit. (Wert thou boasting?)I hope you realize that and that you have a more nuanced grasp of the concept of “civil rights” than Al ever will. (I already assume you have more enlightened views re Jews than Sharpton generally expresses.) If you do ever host the proven Federal informant and race-baiter (who, amusingly, turns out not even to own all those well-cut suits, they remain property of the NAN), I really do hope you’ll invite me to show too. But then, I don’t really know how big Al actually is on socializing with Caucasian folk other than his bosses at MSNBC.

  10. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 10, 2014 @ 3:02 pm

    Dear Mr. Russo.

    I take issue with your remarks in a number of ways.

    1.) Your discription of the victims as…”innocent, beautiful, intelligent” and “handsome, promising graduate” appears to me that their background plays a role in your mind insofar as to the degree to which their murders were a tradegy. As if it would be less tragic if the victims were perhaps troubled teens without the benefits of a solid up-bringing and middle class status. What difference does their background and appearence make? The murder of a human being is a murder. Yes…..even a homeless man.

    2.) The Reverend Al Sharpton needent thank God for anything. He has the Constitution to thank, and the Constitution alone for his 1st Amendment rights.

    3.) Equating the sense of “tragedy” between the deceased and those in uniform who caused his death is obscene to say the least. I needn’t say more.

    4.) How can a supposed “objective” consultant/person have “complete” confidence in the criminal justice system when time and again it has proven to be faulty?

    5.) You wrote: “In the case of “Cheyanne & Brendan” I have not heard a peep from the Rev. Sharpton…..”

    Here you are comparing the expected behavior of wonton murderers to trained police officers. As if the public out-cry, and reactions by people like Rev. Sharpton should be the same. I think it’s a far more serious social problem when law enforcement is committing heinous crimes as they are supposed to “serve and protect”. In short, I believe that PERHAPS the police should be held to a higher standard. And you also failed to mention that the Garner family reached out to Rev. Sharpton. He did not “interject” himself into this controversy.

    6.) And…last but not least. Why does it always seem that whenever Rev. Sharpton is ASKED by any victim’s family to bring media attention (so the DA’s, Police, and courts can’t sweep a case under the rug) to certain cases, people like you make the default argument that unless he addresses every single crime in the country first, he has no right to speak out against any other controversy? By doing so you have written a very typical piece. The type of opinion piece I would expect from a former law enforcement professional.

    You discussed two murders that have NOTHING to do with the Garner case. Questioned Rev. Sharpton’s actions and motives. Expressed “complete confidence” in an imperfect and flawed criminal justice system……

    ….And mentioned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the officers involved with causing the death of an unarmed man except to express your sentiment that they are “tragic victims” themselves somehow.

  11. POSTED BY marke301  |  August 10, 2014 @ 4:31 pm

    Wow what the sense of this article. I mean the autopsy has already concluded that Mr. Garner died as a result of the choke hold. He was murdered by the police for selling loose cigarettes. Wow talk about an overuse of police force. For you to say anything in support of the amount of force used to restrain this man is ludicrous. These police officers piled on to this man and then basically left him to die. They did nothing to help save him after he stopped breathing. So yes society should hold these cops responsible for what they did. We should expect better from our police. Nothing you say or do will ever convince me that the amount of force these officers used in this case was justified. There should be outrage. Just as there should be outrage for the senseless killings of these teenagers. The difference is that the two teenagers were killed by criminals who have been arrested and charged, while Mr. Garners killers have not been charged and are on paid administrative leave. For you to equate these as being similar cases certainly shows where your loyalties and prejudice lies.

  12. POSTED BY biggest1  |  August 10, 2014 @ 6:46 pm

    Rosso is a racist. Sharpton is a douche bag.

  13. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 11, 2014 @ 3:00 am

    Because the Rev has to interject race into every equation, or else, he is left to deal with…dare I say, facts???

  14. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 11, 2014 @ 7:17 am

    Austin – The “fact” is an unarmed Black man was choked to death by a White cop. Dare I say your comment makes no sense.

    And Al Sharpton is an advocate for the Black community. Other minority groups have their advocates as well. Whites have by far, the most powerful advocate on their side however. It’s called the “Status Quo”.

  15. POSTED BY wildwoodben  |  August 11, 2014 @ 8:59 am

    It looks like Mr Russo has incited. The misdemeanor of selling loose cigarettes resulting in a death at the hands of the police needs to be tended to. The murder of teens by a shooter with a gun, has resulted in arrests. Two different things. Me thinks Mr. Russo’s observations are not very credible and border on incitement themselves. Is he trying to stir up trouble? I think we have plenty of racists among us, we don’t need more.

  16. POSTED BY hrhppg  |  August 11, 2014 @ 10:06 am

    Al Sharpton or Ted Nuggent – both stay in the media because of threads like this. Neither are worth our attention or energy.

  17. POSTED BY cspn55  |  August 11, 2014 @ 11:05 am

    this is a silly post in regards to pointing a finger at Al Sharpton. It’s pretty obvious he only gets involved when it’s white on black crime and gets even more excited when its white authority/governmental figures involved. After he ruined the guys life in the Tawana Brawley case, he lost any shred of credibility but he somehow has 9 lives and remains in the media and society to arise for the specific cases he looks for.

    These two kids getting killed is an absolute tragedy and glad they have suspects and hopefully they caught the killers and can prove the state’s case.

  18. POSTED BY hrhppg  |  August 11, 2014 @ 11:14 am

    By dragging up the Tawana Brawley case you have also lost credibility. Clinging to someones 30 year old mistake as an example ? Gee wish I hadn’t made any mistakes in 30 years.

  19. POSTED BY cspn55  |  August 11, 2014 @ 11:25 am

    that 30 yr old mistake is attributed to pretty much runing the life of the prosecutor Sharpton accused on numerous occassions of raping Brawley. Here is Reverend Al’s take on the matter…..In 2007 Sharpton said he would have taken the case the same as he would today, with the only difference being that he would not have made it so personal against Pagones.

    And I don’t have to have credibility with you hrhppg.

  20. POSTED BY Mrs Martta  |  August 11, 2014 @ 11:58 am

    Really, comparing apples to oranges. A real stretch here. Not a fan of Al Sharpton’s but his coming out to rally really has had little bearing on crime, whether it be black on black, white on black, or black on white crime. There’s a bigger issue here that needs to be addressed, in New Jersey, and I’ve written about it before: the lack of strong laws in place that would keep a person such as Ali Muhammed Brown behind bars where he belongs. He had lots of lots of priors and was a known threat and yet, lived life as a free man. Why? Nowhere in Mr. Russo’s essay does he mention the names of the accused. Why is that?

  21. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 11, 2014 @ 3:18 pm

    ronm – it does make sense. Did the white cop go out to work that day with the intentions of killing someone? whether a choke hold or if it was a shooting, I’m positive it wasn’t premeditated and thats the last thing he wanted to do. We all saw the video, the guy refused to comply with the police, said this ends today, and got defensive. Have you ever tried arresting someone 3 times your size that doesn’t want to comply? Me neither, but I bet it’s pretty hard. The killing of the two individuals above, though probably not premeditated, was none the less tragic. Both of those unarmed individuals were slaughtered by armed black men, who shot to kill.

    Yes, Sharpton only steps out when it’s white on black, there is no denying that. Dare you try, when was the last time he rallied the black community to stop the black on black violence/murder that plauge their community? And yes, Tawana was 30 years ago, and yes he still hasn’t apologized for what he did, even after the facts were reveled. He’s as useless as a wooden nipple, always has an agenda thats racially motivated. Did he come out to support that latin family of the Jersey City officer who was murdered in cold blood by a black man?

  22. POSTED BY jcunningham  |  August 11, 2014 @ 3:40 pm

    “Dare you try, when was the last time he rallied the black community to stop the black on black violence/murder that plauge their community?”

    —what an odd criticism. note how the white person wants to dictate what mr sharpton speaks about.

    what black republican leaders have spoken out/held rallies about the same issue? ben carson? allan west?

  23. POSTED BY clem  |  August 11, 2014 @ 4:21 pm

    Al Sharpton makes a very good living on controversial cases. This is his “bread and butter”. Mr. Garner was a “gift” to him. He generates income off tragedy and anger. He’s meaningless without the attention.

  24. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 11, 2014 @ 4:22 pm

    Austin Millbarge – “Did the white cop go out to work that day with the intentions of killing someone? whether a choke hold or if it was a shooting, I’m positive it wasn’t premeditated and thats the last thing he wanted to do.”

    -Does the person leaving the bar drunk intend, with premeditation, to kill someone in a DUI accident? The cop CHOKED A MAN TO DEATH! It was not an “oops” type of event. That cop showed reckless disregard for human life while continuing to choke the man even as the victim said he couldn’t breathe.

    “We all saw the video, the guy refused to comply with the police, said this ends today, and got defensive.”

    -Thanks for pointing out that he got defensive when he got grabbed from behind and choked to death.

    And I still fail to see what the other two murders have to do with the Garner case and Al Sharpton. Does the man have to address every single murder in America before he can speak out on the Garner case?

    “Yes, Sharpton only steps out when it’s white on black, there is no denying that. Dare you try, when was the last time he rallied the black community to stop the black on black violence/murder that plauge their community?”

    WRONG AGAIN…http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/rev-al-sharpton-talk-violence-black-neighborhoods-article-1.292142. A rally Sharpton held to address Black on Black crime in the African-American community. And just google and you’ll see numerous references like http://abc7chicago.com/news/civil-rights-group-to-convene-anti-violence-summit-in-chicago/172589/ where he address Black violence issues.

    And another abut Sharpton lobbying the FCC to clean up lyrics in “Rap” music. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2005-03-25-sharpton-rap-music_x.htm

    So your narrative of Al Sharpton is one born of ignorance. You are ignorant of the initiatives he has started in the Black community to address it’s own problems.

    And when was the last time a prominent Jewish, Latino, Ethic White group leader held a rally in support of an unarmed Black person killed at the hands of White cops? Like I said before. Al Sharpton is a Black minority advocate. Whites have their own advocacy groups. The White American dominated “status quo”, and the Republican party. My guess is you’re a solid member of both.

  25. POSTED BY zephyr  |  August 11, 2014 @ 4:37 pm

    I saw and heard the video and it clearly shows that the man got in a choke hold for behavior that did warrant such aggression.

    A viewer can hear the poor man saying he can’t breath and the cop continued to strangle him. NO matter what Sharpton did in the past, I am on his side on this one.

  26. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 11, 2014 @ 5:08 pm

    Yes I am a member of the status quo, and proud of it. My narrative on Sharpton is not of ignorance, it’s what he portrays to the media. My opinion of him is that he does absolutely nothing to contribute to society other than stir racial tensions. If he doesn’t consistently make race an issue, what would his agenda be?

    And as far as whites having an advocacy group, thats just hysterical. Let me go turn on the White Miss America Pageant, White Entertainment Television, or send my kids to historical White Colleges…how racist would that be? Double standards are alive and well I see…

    Theres really nothing you can say to change my mind on Sharpton. He is what he is, and he ain’t what he ain’t

  27. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 11, 2014 @ 5:31 pm

    Austin Millbarge –
    ” My narrative on Sharpton is not of ignorance, it’s what he portrays to the media.” -

    So you’re too lazy to actually research a person before you form an opinion of them it seems. It took me 40 seconds to find three examples of Al Sharpton being critical of elements in the Black community. Evidently you don’t know how to use a search engine and instead, go by what you hear on T.V./talk radio. We call your type “low information voters”.

    “If he doesn’t consistently make race an issue, what would his agenda be? ”

    -The same was said of MLK almost verbatim to your remark.

    ” Let me go turn on the White Miss America Pageant, White Entertainment Television, or send my kids to historical White Colleges…how racist would that be? Double standards are alive and well I see…”

    Those are de-facto White institutions historically. Example: Before Jackie Robinson, it wasn’t called the “White” major leagues. But in fact it was the White major leagues. There are several ethnic-themed pageant’s in this country. Miss Irish, Polish, Italian, Greek America for example. And Historically Black Colleges are open to all, and always have been. So that’s yet something else you’re ignorant of.

    “Theres really nothing you can say to change my mind on Sharpton. He is what he is, and he ain’t what he ain’t.”

    Yes I know. It’s impossible to change a closed mind. Even when I provide you with FACTS in the form of three links that disprove your earlier assertions. Some people are just averse to FACTS and rely on media perceptions. You said so yourself.

  28. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 11, 2014 @ 5:40 pm

    zephyr – It’s amazing how Sharpton’s mere appearance can warp people’s sense of right and wrong on an issue. Even when they see a man getting choked to death on video, somehow they have to trot every other issue (in this case two unrelated murders) in order to avoid concurring with Sharpton on an issue and somehow make HIM the issue.

    THIS issue is about a cop choking a man to death, and doing nothing to attempt to revive him.

    P.S. Not a single one of the officers involved suffered any injuries.

  29. POSTED BY gifro220  |  August 12, 2014 @ 11:17 am

    Most people competing for resources within the same economic class, regardless of race, are pretty similar. So, let’s blame the homogenization of America and the unwillingness of people who can’t use language in understanding people who look different, use vernacular(Al Sharpton). Not the +300 pound man who may not have been able to pass a civil service exam’s written component, a muscular young man mistaken for a eager MMA combatant, or some random girl and boy both of whom had not yet formed a family. Regardless of that violent men often feel the need to intervene in someone’s life course and malign it because they cannot come to terms with their own actions. Was it really necessary for three or more men to become physically involved in some young man’s life, acting out a desire for sexual dominance and envy(material things) are often what predetermines young men’s actions. Males (police officers and the want to be thugs) need to reevaluate their actions, being provoked by some seemingly taunting being you wish to reassert your self worth is not a valid excuse. What is more unsettling is the goading we’ve received from an old man(Mr. Thomas Russo) who shouldn’t be willing to validate gibberish, and unnecessarily raise the ‘nothing to see here integrated society’ line. Stop making integrated society awkward it’s awkward enough living among the remnant of people who’ve made segregated society possible.

  30. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 12, 2014 @ 11:56 am

    rohm – “So you’re too lazy to actually research a person before you form an opinion of them it seems. It took me 40 seconds to find three examples of Al Sharpton being critical of elements in the Black community. Evidently you don’t know how to use a search engine and instead, go by what you hear on T.V./talk radio. We call your type “low information voters”.”

    - I don’t need to waste time to look up the Rev or his nonsense, theres enough of it in the news to inform me he is useless. Funny about the “low information voter” comment, sort of like all “those people” who voted for Obama because…well, he’s gonna pay my bills, but that’s for another discussion. I guess I should seriously consider putting more effort into getting to know the Rev….said no one ever.

    “The same was said of MLK almost verbatim to your remark.”

    -You mean the same MLK who stated he did not want his children to be judged by their skin color, but the content of their character? The Rev want’s just the opposite, oh wait, let me Google that before I make a statement.

    “Those are de-facto White institutions historically. Example: Before Jackie Robinson, it wasn’t called the “White” major leagues. But in fact it was the White major leagues. There are several ethnic-themed pageant’s in this country. Miss Irish, Polish, Italian, Greek America for example. And Historically Black Colleges are open to all, and always have been. So that’s yet something else you’re ignorant of.”

    -I’m well aware those colleges are open to all. As far as the “ethnic-themed pageant’s”, they are just that, ethnic, not RACE. That’s where you miss the point, we call that “not paying attention to detail.”

    “Yes I know. It’s impossible to change a closed mind. Even when I provide you with FACTS in the form of three links that disprove your earlier assertions. Some people are just averse to FACTS and rely on media perceptions. You said so yourself.”

    -Why am I closed mind? Because I, as well as millions of others, see the Rev for what he is? A race baiter? Oh that’s right, you provided me with the facts you found on the internet. Media perception? Funny, last I checked 90% of the news media is bias and liberal, so does that mean they portray the Rev in a positive or negative view, I don’t follow that one. I guess if it’s posted on the internet, it must be true…you said so yourself

  31. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 12, 2014 @ 2:55 pm

    “…- I don’t need to waste time to look up the Rev…”

    Here you have lost all credibility. So you have 10′s of minutes to babble in ignorance about Al Sharpton, but don’t have a single minute to actually look up the FACTS about him.

    This conversation is over. Your “I don’t need no stinkin’ facts” position can’t be argued with in any intelligent manner.

    Good day.

  32. POSTED BY silverleaf  |  August 12, 2014 @ 3:01 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out what gifro said.

  33. POSTED BY jcunningham  |  August 12, 2014 @ 3:48 pm

    “Funny, last I checked 90% of the news media is bias and liberal”

    —this is the precious little bubble mr. milbarge lives in…where’d you “check” that fact, sir?

  34. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 12, 2014 @ 4:52 pm

    jcunningham – Millbarge doesn’t have time to waste looking up facts and stats.

    Whenever you hear someone say “last I checked” regarding statistics, and ends up with a nice round number like 90%, you know they’re just making it up.

    Millbarge is a child try to debate adults. Children tend to make things up when caught in a jam.

  35. POSTED BY johnqp  |  August 12, 2014 @ 5:42 pm

    Looks like Starbucks might have some new blends on the menu.

  36. POSTED BY flipside  |  August 12, 2014 @ 5:52 pm

    This thread needs more gifro220 and less “adults” debating….

  37. POSTED BY paolo  |  August 12, 2014 @ 7:56 pm

    Reverend Al seems to find his calling as a prophet. Somebody who sees what he considers injustice, and calls attention to it. Loudly, and with passion.

    You may not agree with him, you may choose to actively disagree with him, and with his methods. Personally, I find his highly selective outrage to be troubling, but that’s his business, not mine. He offers a voice to people who don’t have a voice.

    People trust him, and seek his help when the usual methods like elected officials, religious leaders, union leaders, etc don’t seem interested in doing what some/many folks feel is right.

  38. POSTED BY johnqp  |  August 13, 2014 @ 1:08 am

    Sharpton still needs to come clean for all of his vile race baiting lies during the Eighties.

    If MSNBC had any shred of journalistic integrity, they’d get rid of Al. Otherwise, they’re no better than Faux News.

  39. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 13, 2014 @ 5:53 am

    “Here you have lost all credibility. So you have 10′s of minutes to babble in ignorance about Al Sharpton, but don’t have a single minute to actually look up the FACTS about him.”

    Facts on the Rev:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/11/25/should-al-sharpton-be-fired-from-msnbc-for-making-racist-comments/

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/outragedagainsharptonrecord.html

    https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AkLTPN0CWyYii2J9zlIGf76bvZx4?p=al+sharpton+racist+statements&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-901&fp=1

    http://dailysurge.com/2014/05/video-al-sharpton-defends-history-hate-one-jew/

    Need I say more? Does this satisfy your need? If he’s not racist, neither is Donald Stirling. And here’s a video of Allen West calling out the Rev: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/02/19/Allen-West-Al-Sharpton-is-a-Sellout-Helping-to-Destroy-The-Black-Community

    http://www.tpnn.com/2014/03/21/race-baiter-al-sharpton-believes-he-decides-who-can-talk-about-race/

    The list goes on, and on, and on…

    “This conversation is over. Your “I don’t need no stinkin’ facts” position can’t be argued with in any intelligent manner. Good day.”

    Hope this restores my credibility with you, but I won’t hold my breath. I’m sure somehow these facts don’t meet your Standard of Proof. And a mighty fine day to you also :-)

  40. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 13, 2014 @ 6:06 am
  41. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  August 13, 2014 @ 7:06 am

    Hey, Austin has some articles from Media Research Center — a conservative group founded to prove “liberal bias” in the media. Why, THAT should certainly prove liberal bias in the media!

    Next, he’ll be citing cutting edge research from the NRA proving that gun ownership improves sexual function. Stay tuned!

  42. POSTED BY jcunningham  |  August 13, 2014 @ 7:15 am

    “Hope this restores my credibility with you”

    —not needed! you post Blaze links to prove media bias, and do so under a phony screen name. i think your credibility is exactly where it should be.

  43. POSTED BY cspn55  |  August 13, 2014 @ 9:36 am

    while i don’t really know what the blaze.com is, the link had an interesting sharpton article and viewpoint with factual examples of his past words. It shows some instances of Reverand Al making inflammatory remarks (the worst using gay slurs including one on the Morton Downey Jr Show! anyone remember the forerunner to Springer?). It also notes that he he has since apologized and now has love for all (even being at the GLAAD awards as a presenter).

    Yet – it then factually points out how the new-and-improved Al was very vocal to run Don Imus off the radio in 2007 for his RU women’s basketball insults for which Imus has also apologized to anyone who would listen. This is the kind of thing we can rely on Sharpton for – while IMO Imus is an awful broadcaster and I can’t imagine he has listeners – he gets no benefit of the doubt from Sharpton for his insulting words.

    So while this thread was rightfully pointing out how the blogger was off base in asking “where’s sharpton” given how these two awful killings are completely different (one by governmental authority using excessive force – the other of two teenagers by private citizens), those who come to defend Sharpton should look at his career and if they still want to support him, then look to given everyone the same types of passes that they have repeatedly given to Sharpton over a few decades.

  44. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 13, 2014 @ 10:20 am

    Austin Millbarge – “Hope this restores my credibility with you”

    You never really had any to begin with.

  45. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 13, 2014 @ 11:07 am

    cspn55 – “…those who come to defend Sharpton should look at his career and if they still want to support him…”

    You should consider that agreeing with someone (in the case Sharpton’s support for the Garner family) on a particular issue isn’t tantamount to “supporting” everything the does at present, or had done in the past.

    This “Sharpton Litmus Test” on issues is beyond idiotic.

    As for Don Imus. Calling Black, accomplished, female college athletes “nappy headed hoes” deserves no more “benefit of the doubt” than Sharpton would get if he similarly characterized white athletes as “greasy haired crackers” on air.

  46. POSTED BY flipside  |  August 13, 2014 @ 11:15 am

    It’s a little difficult for me understand how someone can support Rev. Al. He makes his living off of racial tension. The last thing he would ever want to to do is change things and make things better..it would put him out of business. Every time I see him I hear “Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name, but what’s confusing you is just the nature of my game….Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners, saints…………”
    For now please include me in the non-credible, non-enlightened ones….I will reflect and try to be more openminded.

  47. POSTED BY Mrs Martta  |  August 13, 2014 @ 11:34 am

    Al Sharpton is certainly entitled to his views and people are certainly entitled to agree with him or support his views. The problem I have with Sharpton is his lack of credibility, as other posters have pointed out. His false accusations, his refusal to apologize to those whose names he dragged through the mud, his waste of taxpayer time and money. To me, it doesn’t matter if I happen to agree with him on a point here and there (I do agree with him on the Garner case, for example). His overall credibility is shot. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  48. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 13, 2014 @ 11:35 am

    flipside – “…He makes his living off of racial tension…”.

    They said the same thing about Martin Luther King when he was marching, demonstrating, holding sit-ins, and “stirring things up” with the “Blacks” in his day.

    “Why is this King guy always just sticking up for Black issues”…You voice a similar sentiment rather than remarking on Sharpton’s rightfully bringing attention to a NYPD that has a history of marginalizing/antagonizing minority communities (Stop and Frisk) and now has had one of their ranks choke a Black suspect to death. All caught on video.

    I think what Sharpton generally does is great. Any police precinct captain in NYC will tell you. Their patrolmen think twice about practicing some of their past abusive tactics because they know Rev. Al will be all over them and bring in the media attention/scrutiny if they get out of line.

  49. POSTED BY cathar  |  August 13, 2014 @ 12:48 pm

    Virtually all the above comments give too much credence, even if by way of some misdirection, to a race-baiter who came to prominence as a result of his making truly vile charges. He has not at all cleaned up his act since then, even if desperate members of the Democratic party have courted his “support.” And his TV program is a joke. An expensive one from a grasping cable “news” station. (Albeit one no worse than Ed Schultz’s.)

    I read Tom Wolfe’s “Mau-Mauing The Flak Catchers” as satirical reportage. Reverend Al (if he ever actually picked it up,the man’s not known for displaying his familiarity with the “Great Books” of Judeao-Western culture other than a very selective bowldlerization of the Bible)) likely found it an instructional text. There is some great difference. And any poster (and that includes thee, prof, good prof) who’d actually have this total rotter over to his/her home (especially those who are Jewish) should be much ashamed of themselves for such a self-impaling expression of “tolerance.”

  50. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 13, 2014 @ 2:10 pm

    It doesn’t really matter which website I use to cite liberal media bias, you would never agree with it anyway. So it’s a moot point. Last I checked someone named “ronm” on baristanet.com is not really someone I “need” to have credibility with. You claim I’m closed minded, yet you attack everything I say as false if it doesn’t fit you “open-minded, progressive, blue wave.org” mold. Funny. I get I’m in the minority on this forum and I’m cool with that. I’m white, Republican, believe in small government, self-support, it doesn’t take a village mentality. Guess that’s why I have been so successful in life. I’m by no means in the top 1%. I didn’t Occupy Wall Street. I didn’t protest the wars on the corner of Church and Bloomfield when GWB was president, but looked the other way when Obama was elected. I get it, I’m an outsider. And my friends and family love me for it :-)

  51. POSTED BY jcunningham  |  August 13, 2014 @ 2:31 pm

    mr milbarge just used the noun “I” thirteen times in one paragraph—a baristanet record (if one excludes all of frankgg’s posts.)

    thanks for providing your broad perspective here!

  52. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 13, 2014 @ 2:45 pm

    jcunningham just posted a deflection sentence, good work sir, good work. You “broad perspective” on nothing is well documented…

  53. POSTED BY State Street Pete  |  August 13, 2014 @ 3:33 pm

    His broad perspective has you pegged, but that’s okay, at least you like you. A lot.

  54. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 13, 2014 @ 3:42 pm

    Correct SSP, I do. However, deflecting from the real issues and taking personal pot shots at me is typical of your kind…a lot

  55. POSTED BY jcunningham  |  August 13, 2014 @ 3:50 pm

    “taking personal pot shots at me”

    —how exactly does one take “personal shots” at a phony screen name?

  56. POSTED BY gifro220  |  August 13, 2014 @ 3:53 pm

    It should be noted that the dialogue about three people who were affected by men who harmed their existence has been turned into a discussion of Austin Millbarge. Beyond that this discussion is really about us as a community not the I which has certainly been applied within a simple paragraph. This I reminds me of the graffiti, the unwillingness to conform to normative grammar and enunciation, and men seeking an opportunity to reassert their sexual(physical presence) dominance as men in all that they take part in. This would include criminals, Thomas Grasso, and now Austin. Our community doesn’t need more aggression what can normally be solved with words when attempting to remedy a real and community-wide relevant concern is a discussion of the instigators, the source of our distractions. What Austin has done here as has Mr. Grasso is put himself in the spotlight and turn civilization into an imaginary chaotic place where normalizing the interpretation of vernacular and self importance trumps a community witnessing stupidity and criminality. Austin, Al Sharpton, and Thomas Russo must assume the position of “this” being an already integrated America, not a racialized and egotistical ranting place called America. By default any claims to prevent a reversion back to some period of time in which these old men still imagine the world are spurious. This isn’t about you, don’t distract Americans with your violence, and aggression. Aggressively plant a garden, make a living, teach a student. Violently strike the soil with a shovel. Break new ground.

  57. POSTED BY flipside  |  August 13, 2014 @ 4:03 pm

    @ ronm…comparing Rev Al with MLK is a stretch…and that’s being polite. But then the fact that you attempted to put words and thoughts in my statements tells me all I need to know about your logic and world view…..good luck with that.

  58. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 13, 2014 @ 4:45 pm

    flipside – I put no words in your mouth but simply pointed out in quotes, the common sentiment amongst MLK detractors at the time. He was considered a race pimp and communist. MLK was vilified by a majority of Americans in his day just as Sharpton is now.

    And that’s just an historical fact.

    Good luck in denying that.

  59. POSTED BY jcunningham  |  August 13, 2014 @ 5:06 pm

    “Every time I see him I hear “Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name, but what’s confusing you is just the nature of my game….Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners, saints…………” ”

    —so you just compared Mr. Sharpton to Satan, the singer of “Sympathy For The Devil”? or am I just putting “words and thoughts” into your statements?

  60. POSTED BY flipside  |  August 13, 2014 @ 5:07 pm

    ronm…don’t need luck. You are the one comparing MLK to Rev. Al…what’s next? Comparing an apple to an orange?? Rev. Al has a long way to go and his history is not on his side.

  61. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 13, 2014 @ 5:44 pm

    flipside – You really must not be to sharp. I compared an ASPECT of their very negative public perception by the majority of Americans at the time. Not their entire life’s work.

    I think you’re just playing dumb for arguments sakes not to realize this. Or at least I hope so.

  62. POSTED BY Austin Millbarge  |  August 13, 2014 @ 6:11 pm

    Now ronm wants to deter from the fact he compared Sharpton to MLK and try to spin it? Good luck with that. And yes, I would go as far as comparing Sharpton to Satan, that’s not really a stretch. ronm and jcunningham want to see the world as they imagine it, their own utopia. I see it for what it is…

    And gifro, violence and aggression? Not sure what I wrote in my post’s that make you assume that. Again, deterring from the facts and trying to point out things like grammatical errors, enunciations, etc. only makes you look silly. And yes, the community is witnessing stupidity, thanks in no small part to people that live with their head in the sand, seeing the world as you wish it to be, not for what it is.

  63. POSTED BY flipside  |  August 13, 2014 @ 6:15 pm

    ronm….I’m actually not playing dumb. I am dumb. BTW it’s “too sharp” not “to sharp” …and yes, I find this enlightening and fun.

  64. POSTED BY ronm  |  August 13, 2014 @ 6:37 pm

    flipside – So you’re going after “typos” now?

    Two funni.

  65. POSTED BY gifro220  |  August 13, 2014 @ 6:38 pm

    Austin Millbarge you are either delusional a liar or both. For one to “live with their head in the sand” is a childish way of deflecting from reality. I do realize the community is witnessing stupidity and aggression because you think Rev. Al Sharpton speech pattern is silly, and then you’ve covered your remarks by saying your posts defending your prior statemnets haven’t been a aggressive defense of your views about yourself, Al Sharpton, and Mr. Russo but the community. The only deterrence we need to observe here is that you and the other two “men” needn’t deter anyone from the facts with an egotistical rant. Do not think you can escape the pattern of abuse of others you’ve demonstrated(aggression) and self praise we have been witness to since this blog post was originated. Need I remind you once more that “this” isn’t about preparing for an aggressor as most civilians aren’t police officers and are unconcerned with combativeness but bare the full weight of those who require policing. This is your public sanction, as you’ve apparently never been acclimated to the general education college requirement which would have precluded this elucidation. BTW you needn’t shy away from grammar and enunciation it’s what we’ve been dealing with so far. To deny that would reiterate the delusional condition in which you choose to live as if there is no better alternative to the narrative that you present to us. It is also at the root of the problems where an understanding needs to be achieved whereupon the deterrence of aggression and violence is predicated. You may be ultimately out of your element, and stepped beyond the scope of your ability to reason with people if you cannot accept these facts.

  66. POSTED BY gifro220  |  August 13, 2014 @ 6:51 pm

    For the record Rev. Al Sharpton’s grammar and enunciation was subject to criticism before you assumed that your own grammar and enunciation(which none of us could possibly hear on Baristanet) was inferior. Austin Millbarge who enunciates so clearly that I could possibly hear you do so on a written comment board. You should probably curb yourself or think about that delusional statement I made earlier.

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