Associated Press Calls It For Christie

Associated Press and Fox News both announce that Chris Christie has won the gubernatorial race in NJ.
Meanwhile, across the river, the race for NYC mayor is unexpectedly close. Will this early call prove wrong?

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50 COMMENTS

  1. Don’t feel good about it but wish him the best. At least I’m going to get lower state and property taxes!

  2. Christie’s ability to lower property taxes is nil. The real test will be what kind of state legislature we get, and that doesn’t give reason to be hopeful.
    Property taxes are driven mostly by school spending. And Montclair’s school board and Mayor don’t seem inclined to do anything in the right direction.
    Still. I’m glad New Jersey showed Corzine the door. Goldman Sachs fired him nine years ago, and they’ve done quite well since then.

  3. God I hate “Independent” candidates. They rarely ever get enough votes to win or even make a statement, but they often get enough to spoil a race. Now we’re stuck with Republican stupidity again. I’ll take Democratic stupidity over Republican anytime.

  4. Sorry, Sandy, but I think you are quite mistaken. Christie won because of the backlash against Corzine the governor, the highest in the nation property taxes, and Corzine’s inability to deliver anything resembling real property tax relief, notwithstanding the recession.
    According to the exit polling, 60% of voters indicated that their opinion of President Obama did not factor into their vote for governor (indeed, 57% of voters in the exit polled responded that they had a favorable opinion of Obama). And if this was a referendum on Obama, I hardly think that Christie would have used shots of Obama in some of his campaign material in an effort to sell himself as a similar candidate of “change”.
    Corzine demonstrated that he could not govern a state with all the advantages of the most powerful governorship in the nation and all the advantages of his $17 million self-funded campaign war chest. Or put another way, Christie won because Corzine deserved to lose.

  5. Holy cow. Change is in the air. I think Christie will be a disaster, but on the other hand it’s a pleasure to see Corzine thrown out on his ass.

  6. At this point I don’t know if I would want Obama to pitch for me… maybe a curse?
    Chicago olympics, Virginia, NJ, what’s next?

  7. i just posted about my niece’s lost cat. it’s two posts down, to prevent it from obscuring the election coverage. if anyone sees her, please let us know. we are all heartbroken and worried.
    thanks. okay, back to the election coverage.

  8. I think this quote from a Real American on aol says it all:
    11:49PM Nov 3rd 2009
    Congratulations New Jersey!!!!
    It’s like taking a shower after sleeping in the swamp for several years. Wash all of that Corzine/Obama liberal slime off and celebrate!
    Nice to know folks like that are trying to get back in power!

  9. Some of you will also blame Obama if the Yankees lose, because he had a date night in NY once. I wonder if the “boogie-man defense” will work for the rest of your lives, or just until you forget about Obama.
    Christie and his supply-side economics voodoo nonsense, rich-pandering, unscientific economic policies will only cause more problems. It has never worked for the country, and it will never work anywhere, because it’s all ideology and not based on any real data.

  10. Actually, I wish Christie luck,but he better stay away from the nut jobs and keep to the sensible ideas in his party. He carried most of the state’s counties (except for the Northeast areas and Mercer). No surprise there. But even Paul Mulshine doubts he can make a difference.

  11. Silly question, realhawker.
    What’s next is Obama doing to your health care and your job opportunities what he did to the Chicago Olympics and Jon Corzine.

  12. I also wish Christie luck. Unless he can overhaul the entire system of government here, he won’t make a difference. And, at least in Montclair, you can expect your real estate taxes to go up again next year since the BOE will still be appointed and we won’t get to vote on the budget. No change to believe in here.

  13. You would think that Americans would have learned after 8 years of Bush not to vote for these people. 4 years of Christy will lead to destruction and bad government. I’ll be looking for breaks for rich and corporations, rising state debt, injustice in the courts, more poor and more suffering. This is a dark day in NJ.
    I suppose that Christy will opt out of the medical public option for New Jerseyans.

  14. There was really no winning this time. Both candidates were pretty awful.
    On the election being some kind of blow to the president.
    If you voted in an attempt to strike some kind of blow for the GOP, you’re an absolute moron committed to guzzling the Kool-aid that the party’s talking heads have been serving. Vote on the candidate’s record, and their stance on the issues that matter to you.
    Voting down party lines simply because you’re butthurt about the presidential election is awfully pathetic.

  15. I voted for Corzine with great reluctance. I haven’t been impressed with much that he’s done, and have been disgusted with a lot that he hasn’t done. That said as a lifelong lefty liberal I just couldn’t push the button for Christie. However, I wish Christie all the luck in the world. Certainly our state needs a lot of help. Great race Governor-elect! Here’s to success in, and for, New Jersey!

  16. Deborah,
    Yours is the post I always look for and try to write after elections– disappointed, yet hopeful. It’s one thing to not vote for the eventual winner, but to assume- within hours- that it will be a huge mistake is dumb.
    With that, I voted for Christie because I HATE everything about Corzine- especially his buying the black minister’s vote AGAIN.
    But until our little towns decided to consolidate some services and we the people stop acting like little kids with “our” toys (re: local services), I fear little can be done.
    Although, sometimes it’s a matter of having a strong voice to lead us.
    For that, I hope the Big Man does well!!

  17. Ah, Lefty, be careful with the “these people” stuff. You know what that gets you these days.
    Exit polling aside, I absolutely will call this a referendum on Obama and his ilk. The divide is simple: You either opt for a tax-yourself-to-death system that wipes your a– for you and breeds learned helplessness, or you choose to live by the ideals upon which this country was founded, namely individualism and the freedom to choose. It’s the Declaration of Independence, not the Declaration of Dependence. For better or worse, richer or poorer, in sickness and health, I’ll take the GOP tack any day of the week. Bad government? It’s evident how many people forget the utter malaise and ineptitude of the Carter administration. They made us look like stumblebums around the world, and they got shown the door in fine fashion … with the help, undoubtedly, of those fools who gambled that he’d give them some sort of free lunch without requiring too much work out of them. This is a powerful nation because of the ethic that built it and the leaders who wisely continued to build our stature and exercise our authority, moral and military.
    So, please continue the whining about “I’ll be looking for breaks for rich and corporations, rising state debt, injustice in the courts, more poor and suffering.” You don’t build a society by catering to the poor. How’s that War on Poverty been working for you? Like it or not, those with wealth rule, and the better able they are to create and maintain wealth, the more likely they are to keep it working for you in your country. Maybe not as directly as you or the greedy unions would like, but common sense tells you you want their capital available if need be. “Injustice in the courts?” Like when they sentence those goons who shot those three college kids in Newark? I’d argue for summary execution for those vermin, but we’ll go ahead and give them their due process in those evil, evil courts.
    Ah, and health-care for all, no matter the cost. You want to talk about driving up debt? Neither you, the typical person on the street, or Pelosi, Reid or Bam Themselves can legitimately tell you what trying to care for every single person in this country would cost. And by the way, because obviously the educational system and common sense fail you: You.Can’t.Care.For.Every.Body. It’s not going to happen. That’s a fact no system can change. Again, basic assessment of population projections coupled with the most rudimentary understanding of human nature will tell you that.
    All this to say: Congratulations, Gov. Christie. Good luck trying to reform this sad-sack state where fully half the population is perfectly willing to sit back and suck on the State Teat.

  18. “…unscientific economic policies will only cause more problems.”
    Perhaps professor this could be your next study. You could correlate the sex lives of state employee union officials to preferential contract treatment.
    It must be a terrifying thought indeed that people would select their leaders on such “unscientific” criteria as character.

  19. Please tell me, what do I get when I call out “these people”? I would like to know. It’s not often I get threats this early in the morning. You certainly represent “these people”. Please tell me, I beg you.

  20. A Huge win….
    Prof , I agree with you 99.99% of the time, however, I think the issue is not small town consolidation but county government. Towns already provide services that the county doubles up on. County did fine for many years being governed by the Freeloaders. County government is a major problem.

  21. editr21, you are one nasty SOB, and you are probably some kind of coward, too. Were you the schoolyard bully when you were young?

  22. I’m not sure it’s an either/or proposition.
    Some Counties have so few residents that, perhaps the County system should be the only governing body.
    In others, like Essex, most towns are so big, they can support their own and may not need a County Gov. (though Joe D does a GREAT job…)
    I also do not like the School funding equalization program that has Newark spending 20 THOUSAND dollars a kid with no real results because I do not believe that more money equates quality education (as Newark, Camden, Trenton, Paterson, etc. prove every year!)

  23. Agree with editr21, well said. The question is, does the relatively decent showing by the losing side of the school board vote (given the late start of the elected board team and the vehement opposition by the powers that be) lead to any changes? Our BOE budget consumes over 50% of local taxes and the purse strings are held by the mayor and his appointed buddies. Our tax bill is a reflection of their priorities, but are they listening to the people?

  24. Several sour grapes posts from the usual prune-like people above. Spiro T. sounding denatured, walleroo trying to come off as usual as amiably confused (who did you in fact vote for, roo, that you can dismiss the incoming Christie administration as a certaindisaster?), no great surprises in any of this.
    But then somebody dares take after our very own chartered boob, “laserleftymikeypal” for his rote foolishness and Spiro seems outraged. Spiro, mikey has been trying to be a “progressive” bully for years here. He just has no punch.
    And “these people” is quite scabrous a usage even by laserleftymikeypal’s debased standards. If he promised to sulk in a corner for the next four years (don’t worry, he won’t), all for the better. Because he is in fact one of “these people” himself, sniffily resentful and very, very dumb. If you defend him, Spiro, you stand alongside a very appalling yahoo indeed.

  25. We could learn a lot from The People’s Republic of Massachusetts, a Commonwealth with a long history of outrageous taxes, seriously corrupt politicians at all levels, and obscenely wealthy individuals who could — and did — buy elections for themselves and their children. For many decades, they had a layered system of town, county, and state governments along with a patronage system that would rhapsodize some of the sleazebag mayors and councilpersons in our fair state. No politician in Massachusetts would engage in pay-for-play for the chump change that some of Jersey’s greediest are going down for these days.
    But 20 years ago, when Mass was #1 in property taxes, the people said “Enough!” And Massachusetts began consolidating town governments and getting rid of the fat layer of county government. Oh, the little piggies squealed, and several thousand public servants lost their nihilarian careers and had to seek real jobs, but the people prevailed and eight of the fourteen counties went by the wayside. There are still a few low-population areas (Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket, for example), where there are county-level structures — but even in these areas, state agencies provide the majority of the services. The results? Massachusetts is now #6 in property taxes. So there is hope.
    I, too, wish Christy well. I think it was clear Corzine was not making progress toward improving the quality of life while at the same time reducing its cost. But we need to be vigilant, because history has shown that ineptitude in NJ government is truly bipartisan.

  26. You either opt for a tax-yourself-to-death system that wipes your a– for you and breeds learned helplessness, or you choose to live by the ideals upon which this country was founded, namely individualism and the freedom to choose. It’s the Declaration of Independence, not the Declaration of Dependence. For better or worse, richer or poorer, in sickness and health, I’ll take the GOP tack any day of the week.
    You’d have a point, except that the two largest ticket items in the current deficit are the Iraq war and the unfunded medicaid prescription bill Bush signed. Where were you “thrifty” Republicans when those things came up for the vote?
    Like it or not, those with wealth rule, and the better able they are to create and maintain wealth, the more likely they are to keep it working for you in your country.
    Tax breaks for the rich also contributed to the deficit in a major way.
    Ah, and health-care for all, no matter the cost.
    What are we paying now?
    You.Can’t.Care.For.Every.Body.
    None of the current bills pretend to cover 100%. The most popular ones are deficit negative.
    Really, good rant. Christie won, woo hoo! Let’s see him lower property taxes. Nothing I saw from him gave me a clear idea how he was going to do it.

  27. A sad, sad day for NJ: Republican Governor-elect Chris Christie, an opponent of marriage equality and reproductive choice and an advocate of capital punishment has been elected to the state’s highest office. This reflects the sensibilities of the people of the Garden State? No, I don’t think so. It reflects the judgement of the people on incompetence and timidity.
    We can only hope that a progressive legislature will “tie the hands” of this reactionary ‘throwback’ until we next choose a governor.
    While I wish the victor well on a personal level, I truly do not believe the best man has won.
    And I am certain, in my bones, of what a Christie administration will become; I’ll give it 6 months unitl its first major scandal.

  28. It must be a terrifying thought indeed that people would select their leaders on such “unscientific” criteria as character.
    Oh be serious ROC. Christie won because he’s not Corzine. Christie’s got a lot of skeletons in his closet, including getting his brother off insider trading charges.

  29. Well, I for am am ecstatic. I was hoping for this but wasn’t sure Jersey would cooperate. Interesting that most of the Christie voters were seniors and Independents. The same young voters and minorities, who backed Obama, just didn’t come out in droves on this one. Also surprising was Daggett’s small percentage. I really thought he would capture at least 10% of the vote since most people were fed up with both major candidates and parties.
    I’m not saying Christie is the be all and end all to our problems in this state. But his election proves to me that the peiople of New Jersey are fed up with the status quo and are ready for some “fresh eyes” and viewpoints.
    All the best to you, Chris Christie!

  30. wacourson,
    Since you fear, call into question and otherwise discount the will of the people (much like Bloomberg), perhaps you should work for an APPOINTED Governor.
    The people can’t be trusted since, as you claim, the people don’t support Christie’s view, which considering the election is about the dumbest think you can state.
    Oh, well.
    I love watching/listening/reading a sore loser.
    This is fun!!!

  31. Christy does have a plan to lower taxes and create jobs, and I quote him:
    “I am going to lower taxes and create jobs.”
    So there!

  32. Conan: You always crack me up!
    That reminds me of the old Monty Python bit with the show, “How to Become a Millionaire.” The first tip: Get a million dollars!

  33. Count me as one of the Proud Liberals who gave it my best to get Corzine elected.
    Guess I’ll just sit back now and watch my taxes be miraculously lowerwed and all my friends to get sparkling new jobs.

  34. I’ve read these comments with interest, especially those that discuss government consolidation – particularly removal of county government. I agree that would certainly be a cost savings – Connecticut removed county government successfully many years ago. However, our property taxes are high for another, more important reason – a K through 12 school system for every single town in the state. And that means full school administrations for every single town. I personally think this is an incredible waste of money. The schools should be administered by county, not by town. But, if everyone insists that children have to have a local superintendant, multiple principals, vice principals and central offices (and who knows what they do), then please STOP complaining about how high your property taxes are. You have to pay for what you get.

  35. Obama should have never backed Corzine: He was going to lose even if Jesus Christ himself were to place the endorsement. (Hey, Jesus is the world’s most famous Liberal…)
    Good luck to Christie, though: May he succeed in finding the magic “lower taxes / smaller government” wand that has long since eluded politicians in NJ and may his opponents have enough success in keeping him from passing the third world anti-choice and anti-equality parts of his agenda.
    As far as the BOE part of the election: Here’s hoping that Fried and any future mayors recognize the fact that this come very close to passing as a mandate to change the way the BOSE currently operates and not as permission to keep things “business as usual” as far as the selection process and rubber-stamp mentality are concerned.

  36. No, prof: I don’t fear or discount the will of the people. In a democracy, it is the ineluctable, inalienable right of the electorate to choose its leaders.
    But, yes, I do call it into question.
    What we saw yesterday was not, in my belief, a vote for Mr. Christie’s values but a vote against Mr. Corzine’s performance.
    While Mr. Corzine’s administration may not have earned passing marks, I believe – frankly – that the people of this state have not chosen for themselves a suitable or capable individual as governor.
    That is just my belief; only time will tell.

  37. I think this quote from a Real American on aol says it all:
    11:49PM Nov 3rd 2009
    Congratulations New Jersey!!!!
    It’s like taking a shower after sleeping in the swamp for several years. Wash all of that Corzine/Obama liberal slime off and celebrate!
    Nice to know folks like that are trying to get back in power!

    I agree, it is nice, isn’t it? That slime peaked a year ago but it’s failing so badly now that it will only diminish more! Yay!
    BTW who still checks AOL? Is it still in existence?

  38. WM,
    I agree that any governor’s ability to reduce property taxes is nil. I have said as much several times on this blog. However, Christie ran on that promise and will need to deliver or have it used against him in the next election.

  39. as walter said, with school spending being the bulk of property taxes and with christie’s plan to reject $5 billion in stimulus money, the bulk of which was to be used for education, how exactly will that translate into reduced property taxes? on the contrary all signs point to property owners picking up the slack.

  40. I don’t think new jerseyans know what they have done. He may reject the medical public option and stimulus money. We may experience more pain. Cristie may put NJ through what is called in economic circles as “Shock Therapy”. That would be what someone of his political type would do.

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