Christie v. the SEAL

BY  |  Monday, Mar 12, 2012 8:46am  |  COMMENTS (44)

By now, even folks in the UK have heard about last week’s shouting match between Chris Christie and former Navy SEAL William Brown, which concluded with the Iraq war veteran and failed Democrat assembly candidate being led away from the town hall by police and the governor calling him an “idiot.” The sparring was over Christie’s plans to merge Rutgers-Camden and Rowan.

It was classic Christie. You know, the same guy who told vacationers to “get the hell off the beach” before Hurricane Irene, and who responded to a heckler in New Hampshire with an oral sex joke.

Rep. Bill Pascrell says Christie should apologize. What do you think?


  1. POSTED BY Mrs Martta  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:03 am

    They were both wrong, the SEAL for heckling and Christie for the name-calling. But I think Christie, being the Governor, should take the higher ground here and apologize for the name-calling. But, being Christie, he probably won’t.

  2. POSTED BY herbeverschmel  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:13 am

    Mr. Brown, Seal or not kept yelling at the Governor from his seat while he was answering his question. Interesting how the video you show tries to make CC the bully when in fact he was trying to explain the merger quite politely and was being interrupted by Mr.Brown, the failed Democrat assembly candidate. Brown’s concern was that people have not heard of Rowan and wanted that name on his degree, CC said he would have a Rutgers degree. Seems like a case where he just wanted to talk and not listen to the answer.

  3. POSTED BY herbeverschmel  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:17 am

    I do agree with MM both were at fault. I loved when CC told him he better not act like that in a courtroom when he becomes a lawyer but calling him an idiot was a bit uncalled for.

  4. POSTED BY Spiro T. Quayle  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:21 am

    Christie might have simply been suffering from a sugar crash. He should take snacks with him next time.

  5. POSTED BY cathar  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:21 am

    Leaving aside (particularly on this site, which isn’t exsctly as pro-armed forces as your average resident of, say, Fayetteville, NC) the relevance of Christie’s heckler having been a SEAL, has it even been established that he was in fact one? Because it often seems that it’s very easy to claim former membership in either the SEALs or the Green Berets. (I refer others to the case of failed movie director Michael Cimino of “Deer Hunter” fame and “Heaven’s Gate” infamy.)

    That said, it was merely a case of the Governor being the Governor, and I doubt very much that he’d temper his remarks even if a heckler had in fact been a miraculously surviving former defender of the Alamo.

    Besides, the absorption of Rowan into Rutgers seems a very small matter indeed in the general scheme of things, I didn’t quite understand what the heckler was so exercised about. If he’d really been so concerned about attending an academically prestigious institution, after all, he might well have gone somewhere other than Rutgers in the first place.

  6. POSTED BY scottie  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:29 am

    Did go too far w the name calling, but do not apologize. He should have taken the high road. Not very VP of him.

  7. POSTED BY DagT  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:57 am

    I’ve learned to admire Christie’s fearlessness in the public arena when he’s confronted by a self serving failed politician, an angry protestor or a rude citizen. His tit for tat style is not PC but he’s hardly a bully as some would claim. Any derogatory labeling of an opponent will make headlines and detract from his message, but then would this meeting have gained any print without this exchange.

    In addition to wondering what was the real reason for this man’s strange protest and provocative behavior i found Christie’s comment about his desire to be respected as the Governor telling. He does speak his mind.

    Sure I’d rather he put a damper on the name calling. Consider it practice for a national and even world stage. But an apology? Give me a break!

  8. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:58 am

    Odd that Christie feels that Brown’s behaviour would result in his being bounced from court room, but he apparently feels that calling someone an idiot would not be cause for a similiar objection.

    I don’t understand why anyone would go to one of these meetings to engage the governor. He talks over people, cuts off their mic, and has troopers escort them out the door. All to the enthusiastic applause of the governor’s supporters.

    Why, if I didn’t know better, I might suspect that Christie plants them there.

  9. POSTED BY walleroo  |  March 12, 2012 @ 9:58 am

    Dag, you’ve got it just right.

  10. POSTED BY DagT  |  March 12, 2012 @ 10:16 am

    Merci buckets 🙂

  11. POSTED BY spectator  |  March 12, 2012 @ 11:21 am

    DagT is right on target. Well put.
    The poll reflects the political bias of Baristaville.
    Also, the truncated youtube exerpt, omitting the heckler’s persistent remarks, relects the site’s bias.
    Have you bothered to check whether the heckler is in fact a former seal?
    Bad jounalism!!!!

  12. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 12, 2012 @ 11:36 am

    Its amusing to see someone who engages in this type of exchange, whilst surrounded by a phalanx of heavily-armed state police and with limos and helicopters standing by to whisk him away, described as “fearless”.

  13. POSTED BY gifro220  |  March 12, 2012 @ 11:41 am

    You don’t have to be a genius to be a special forces member, and you don’t have to be special forces member to be a world class athlete. Having an above average I.Q. approaching genius level is a qualifier to expire just like any average person. I wouldn’t get caught up in any badge of honor, people are people, they like to compare themselves to people and use sign vehicles as a bargaining chip, when in fact the larger group of people are in fact idiots. If I could detect emotional instability, a failure to observe restraint, and inappropriate application of safety measures ensuring the prior two requirements I’d tell that son to remember to keep me out of his line of fire. He’s an accident waiting to happen, I’d avoid him and be just as cordial to him as I would with any unknown foreigner in my area. Many people are armed and volunteer to be armed because they have a predisposition to recklessness, anyone who’ll preserve an ideal that a superior deems worthy is encouraged to continue so that end is met. That is not to say that his duration of duty, clearance level, or cross training potential is high, he’s just an American body with freedoms and safety issues that many people are looking out for.

  14. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 12, 2012 @ 11:57 am

    Well, you can’t say it any more clearly than that!

  15. POSTED BY walleroo  |  March 12, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

    Well, you can’t say it any more clearly than that!

    I’m not sure what “it” refers to in this sentence. Can you clarify that, cro?

  16. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  March 12, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

    My simple rule still applies: when you shout-out, interrupt and otherwise turn someone elses event into a place to air your own grievances, you deserve what you get.

    Up to, and sometimes including being tased, bro:

  17. POSTED BY walleroo  |  March 12, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

    Thank you, prof, for reprising that terrifically funny video. It’s been a while!

  18. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 12, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

    Well prof, there are folks who believe that a “town hall meeting” (which is how these circus events are billed by the christie camp) ARE precisely “place (s) to air your own grievances”.

    If they aren’t, then I guess they’re campaign appearances. Or maybe publicity ops?
    Or maybe just a good excuse for our grumpy governor to kick some ass!

  19. POSTED BY deadeye  |  March 12, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

    Well said, Dag!

    Now will the real gifro please stand up? Which one of the regular poster’s is composing this non-sequitur, free association?

  20. POSTED BY walleroo  |  March 12, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

    I assume gifro is for real. It’s hard to fake that kind of, uh, thinking. But maybe you’re right, deadeye. Now that I think of it, where’s hrobrah these days?

  21. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  March 12, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

    Correction: air your grievances in a respectful manner. And yes. Even at a “town-hall” meeting there is expected decorum. To yell out, speak over, and make it clear to all that you have no interest in dialog, according to my rule, allow you to be called out, tased, teased, led out in cuffs– whatever is appropriate.

    Here, this young man, vet or not, got what I suspect he wanted: some publicity. Our Gov. got the same. But for me, as much as I might disagree with him, I hate rude folks worse.

    So depending on your view, this is CC showing his b*lls, or him showing he’s a jerk.

    And that’s why he’s so good.

  22. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 12, 2012 @ 1:49 pm

    I’m not in favour of rudeness either, prof.

    But our governor is every bit the interrupter and dialogue killer that his critics are. And he even crosses state lines to do it, as we saw when he was in California and Illinois and gave the folks there some beatdowns, Jersey style.

    Hard for me to imagine a Reagan, who is CC’s hero, stooping to this level.Ronnie could be tough and he could give as good as he got, but he did it with a panache that CC will never have, and he will be remembered as a leader long after CC is a talk show host, in my view.

  23. POSTED BY Nellie  |  March 12, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

    Since the video above only shows Christie’s side of the dialogue, I can’t really judge who was right and who was wrong.

    Oral sex joke??? Are we going down that road again? Can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard the term “go down” used at work in response to an upcoming business transaction. Christie’s interpretation was never proven so let’s not make it Gospel.

  24. POSTED BY profwilliams  |  March 12, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

    Sorry, croi, did I miss him interrupt someone else’s townhall, or other type of rally or interview and be rude?

    If I did, I stand corrected.

    But at HIS events, folks who come/are invited should act respectfully.

    And what does CC’s administration for Reagan have to do with anything? CC likes Springsteen too, and like Reagan, I cannot imagine him acting like CC, but I’m not sure what this has to do with anything.

  25. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 12, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

    Yes prof, he talks over people all of the time. And in CA, he jumped in to berate some guy who was actually talking to a local pol, not CC. But CC had to take over.

    He’s a bully, pure and simple, in my view. Regardless of his policies, many of which I find myself in agreement with.

    CC talks, as do many in politics, of civility and respect. Yet many, like CC, do not practice it. Reagan did. When these pols talk of civility, when they claim to value the American people and then turn around and display contempt and scorn towards them, i think that has a lot “to do with it”.
    That’s just one man’s opinion.

    And if you don’t agree, you’re an IDIOT!

  26. POSTED BY Spiro T. Quayle  |  March 12, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

    Obama/Christie 2012!
    That ticket would get a great turnout – anyway, they seemed to like each other and work well together during the floods, and a show of bipartisanship is what we really need.

    I’d vote for that ticket.

  27. POSTED BY nick danger  |  March 12, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

    The best thing that could have been said about CC is that he’s NOT Jon Corizine. Talk about being damned with faint praise. I do hope that next time out we have a better choice than between a classless buffoon and a greedy thief. Stay classy, New Jersey.

  28. POSTED BY johnqp  |  March 12, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

    Boy, do I miss Tom Kean ….

  29. POSTED BY PAZ  |  March 12, 2012 @ 10:43 pm

    Me thinks there seems to be a blood sugar problem with the Gov.
    Obama/Christie ticket? Would that be too much like Mutt & Jeff, Laurel & Hardy? Stoopnagel & Bud? it would definitely liven things up for me rather than those two saints running under the Conservative party.

  30. POSTED BY zephyrus  |  March 13, 2012 @ 10:25 am

    Wowzers! I COMPLETELY misread the headline. It was a NAVY seal.

  31. POSTED BY witz  |  March 13, 2012 @ 11:00 pm

    Where did you buy the rose colored glasses you are wearing Croi?

    Reagan acted with civility and respect? It’s pretty safe to say that wasn’t always the case but it’s easy to think that individuals back in the day were the saints we thought they were. Granted it was before every Tom, Dick and Harry had the technology that exists today where each and every movement of someone could be photographed, videoed and tweeted to millions of folks instantaneously.

  32. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 14, 2012 @ 6:18 am

    I don’t think that Reagan was a saint. And he could be quite acerbic, especially in his earlier California governor days.

    But I certainly don’t recall his calling voters “idiots” or political opponents “numbnuts”.

    If you do, please point to examples.

  33. POSTED BY Spiro T. Quayle  |  March 14, 2012 @ 7:57 am

    Ronnie R. remains the only Republican president in the last 100 years that the current crop of hopefuls still dare to talk about, when not talking about birth control and birth certificates. ( OK, Taft is mentioned once in a while for breaking his bathtub, but still…)

  34. POSTED BY bebopgun  |  March 14, 2012 @ 8:44 am

    Claiming Reagan’s legacy as one thing or another seems to depend on what message one wants to send. Sorta like knowing what kind of car Jesus would’ve driven. (a pink Cadillac, no doubt, because for someone who could turn water to wine he surely wouldn’t have been concerned with buying gasoline)

  35. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 14, 2012 @ 9:13 am

    I’ll leave his legacy to the historians. I’m simply noting his public demeanor, which is a matter of record. It was far and away superior to that displayed by our governor.

    That’s all.

  36. POSTED BY whowantwhat  |  March 14, 2012 @ 9:44 am

    Has anyone seen that the CBO expense estimates for Obama’s Health Care Act have almost doubled? Does no one care about stuff like this? LINK BELOW. Really? Obama promised us less than one trillion cost over a decade now it is $1.8 trillion? Do Democrats realize that you can hike the tax rate on highest earners (250k+) to almost 100% and still not be able to cover this??? WTF is wrong with this administration? Hope and Change has turned into fraud and deceit.

    Christie is not smooth and at times an A–hole but would much prefer him to our current president who is on a fiscal suicide mission.

  37. POSTED BY Mrs Martta  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:09 am

    One of many broken promises, WWW. During his campaign in 2007, he promised to enact a law that would mandate labeling of genetically-modified foods. How’s that going? Not to mention bringing our men and women home from Afghanistan.
    The recent tragedy just underscores the need to expedite this but Mr. Arrogant wants to do it on his “own terms.” Sounds a little like “peace with honor,” don’t it?

  38. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:15 am

    Clicking on, and reading, the “Full Text” box on your proffered link tells a slightly different story, WWW. You might want to read through that.

  39. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:18 am

    So those who excoriated critics for wanting to “cut and run”, for giving the enemy a “timetable” for withdrawal, are now backing the truck up and screaming for immediate withdrawal.

    You know, if I didn’t know better I’d think that ANY course this president chose would be, in those eyes, the wrong one.

  40. POSTED BY Martta Rose  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:24 am

    If Bush was in office and our troops were still there, you know that HE would not only be excoriated but burned in effigy. Not singing the praises of Bush and Co. but let’s be honest here. There is really no good reason I can come up with of why we should still be in Afghanistan.

  41. POSTED BY anne prince  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:27 am

    CC is a name calling bully, plain and simple.

  42. POSTED BY croiagusanam  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:30 am

    I can’t think of one good reason either, but then I felt the same way when Bush et all sent 40,000 in. As for the present group, you have Paul who wants out today and would not have sent anyone in the first place, Romney who said “our continued presence should be decided by the generals on the ground”, Gingrich who said that “none of the generals recommended the speed of the drawdown that this president wants”, or santorum, who said “we cannot let those who have given the full measure die in vain by abandoning the gains we’ve made. we must be focused on succeeding…”

    Yes, let’s “be honest” indeed.

  43. POSTED BY Martta Rose  |  March 14, 2012 @ 10:35 am

    I’m with Paul on this one. I don’t agree with any of the other Republican candidates’ viewpoints, especially Santorum. “Gains we’ve made?” “Succeeding?” On what planet is he living?

  44. POSTED BY PAZ  |  March 14, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

    Bring back the draft! The war would be over yesterday.

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