Obama: Give Me More Time

In accepting the Democratic nomination for his second term last night, President Obama asked voters to continue to put their faith in him. “America, I never said this journey would be easy, and I won’t promise that  now,” he said. “Yes, our road is longer – but we travel it together. We draw strength from our victories, and we learn from our mistakes, but we keep our eyes fixed on that  distant horizon.”

Depending on who you asked, pundits proclaimed the speech vintage Obama or “one of the emptiest speeches I’ve ever heard.”

Obama followed several rousing speeches that excited the party faithful, including a particularly animated (and loud) one by former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm. Like speakers at the Republican convention, Democratic speakers emphasized family, “American values” and job creation.

In an especially poignant moment, Gabrielle Giffords made a dramatic appearance last night to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. The former Arizona Congresswoman was almost killed in January 2011 by a crazed gunman.

So which speech–Obama or Romney–was better? I’m guessing most will answer along party lines. Take our poll and tell me if I’m right.



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  1. MM, that was without a doubt, Brilliant!!! I knew the song, but must confess, I had no idea who sang it. How perfect!!

    It reminds me of those Dickie Goodman songs from the 70’s… Remember the “Jaws” song?

    “Mr. Obama, nothing seems to be working. Unemployment is still up, the economy is stalled what do you want to say to people: ‘Gimme just a little more time.'”

  2. The answer to our economic woes is clearly to turn the reins back over to the fails policies and people who got us in this mess to begin with.

  3. Silver : That’s a diss to the original group known as the Average White Band.

    Romney’s campaign is more along the lines of “Average White BLAND”

  4. For anyone still undecided on the obvious, as a help in resolving your decision on whom to vote for I would suggest you contrast the speech offered by Clint Eastwood at the GOP convention with those of Corey Booker and Bill Clinton sat the Democrat’s confab.

    I say, the choice is pretty obvious to all but the slope-browed, knuckle-dragging contingent.

  5. No, it was a commentary on Romney’s racism. You are so blinded by your own racism, you failed to understand.


  6. Or leave it in the hands of the guy that has buried us in unemployment and out of control debt.. People did pretty well under Bush for 6 years. Until barney Frank , Pelosi and company took over Congress in ’06. Tossed from power in ’10 and now next goal is the the inept one.

  7. AHHh silverleaf, when you have nothing to say you make reckless accusations when in fact you are the one that brings up race. I have a suggestions, limit your posts to once a day in order to give you time to try to think of something relevant to say.

  8. ” the guy that has buried us in unemployment and out of control debt..”

    No one guy did that to us. It is frightening that you think that.

  9. I notice as the walls are collapsing on the inept one, the comments form his lib supporters begin to get nastier. That tends to happen whe you really have nothing to say and your candidtae has no record to run on. Should be an interesting 2 months ahead of us and I anticipate you will be come more reckless in your attacks on the next President Mitt Romney. Repeat after me President Romney.

  10. hrh- that may be true but when candidate Obama says he will cut the debt in half and then renegs on that committment and adds another 6 trillion to it…. I think he certainly has his share of reponsibiltiy.

  11. Maybe when the election is over, Paul Ryan can grow his hair long and get a job as a drummer in a Disney World Beatles tribute band.

  12. herbeverschmel – And become a laughing stock on this site like you, offering up meaningless platitudes every thirty seconds on every story posted?

    I made my point yesterday accusing you as being racist; try reading it more s-l-o-w-l-y this time . . . .

    “You just finished connecting the racist dots between your posting of the “Once you vote black you never go back” photo and your recent comments on the “Montclair Makes Administrative Decision to End Annual 9/11 Ceremonies at Watchung Plaza” piece . . . “I wonder what the reaction would be if towns decided to start “winding down” MLK Day ceremonies.”.

  13. “I say, the choice is pretty obvious to all but the slope-browed, knuckle-dragging contingent.” – Bill Courson

    According to the latest RCP data, 46.5% is polling for Romney and 6.7% are still undecided. To you, these people are not fellow Americans filled with the same hope and optimism as you. No, to you, they are a sub-species below your high intellect. Classic Northeast, liberal, elitist b.s.

    The 6.7% that is still undecided will at least be somewhat open minded during the debates. You are so smart that you already know the outcome of those debates Bill? The 6.7% will probably be willing to look at the economic data over the next 2 months with an open mind and put it in the context of the last 4 to 10 years. You again are so smart that you know what the data will be, before it happens and is measured? My guess is you, like Georgette admitted last week, made up your mind 4 years ago what party you would vote for this election regardless of who the person was running. Perhaps you made up your mind 40 years ago because of party affiliation. That doesn’t make you smarter.

    So you tell me Bill, who is the higher intellect? You or the people willing to weigh and measure the candidates as they are vetted in real time and as they are face one another in live debate. If you are willing to give Obama more time that is your right, but it is also the right of other people to use their brains over the next 2 months to make an informed decision.

    By the way here is a recent study of the make up of “independent” voters.


  14. “I say, the choice is pretty obvious to all but the slope-browed, knuckle-dragging contingent.”

    This quote speaks volumes and says all I need to know about the “liberal elite” and what they think of people who think differently than them.

  15. MM, I can assume that quotes like “liberal sludge” and “bottom feeders” tell you all you need to know about the “conservative elite” and what they think of people who think differently than they do.

  16. You did not use them. Cathar did. Yet I can’t recall you making any such objection or assumption following them.

  17. MM,
    Most libs are hypocrites when it comes to that ‘open minded’ jibberish. As you know they’re only open minded when you agree with them. Take this silverleaf for example, a nastier poster there never was. Similar to the inept one, someone that resorts to character assassination simply to tarnish the fine reputation of their target. In this case it’s one of B’ville most knowledgable and dedicated posters for over 6+ years now who have never been accused of such garbage. Well in the old days that was just the way it worked, the libs threw around terms like sexist, racist and whatever else against conservatives and the conservatives backed off. Well unfortaunelty this leaf doesn’t realize that doesn’t work anymore and in fact never worked on this proud conservative. I anticipate people like this leaf and Bill will only get nastier as election day approaches and they see they see the reality of the inept one’s loss.

  18. I have a strong feeling that that 46.5% that is (are?) polling for Romney is going to evaporate as election day nears, as voters get a clearer picture of what a Romney/Ryan administration would really mean for this country and its people and as more and more Americans get a whiff of what’s in their coffee mug. Some won’t, ever.

    We need to be governed by a gaggle infantile self-obsessed Ayn Rand worshippers (who practice their own kind of frat boy uber-elitism) just like we need to open up another theater of combat. Not.

    (Oh, by the way, speaking of slope-browed knuckle-draggers. Some names: Michelle Bachmann. Sarah Palin. Todd Akin. Sharon Angle. Ted Nugent. Christine Quinn. Guess what they all have in common?)

  19. CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A star-studded assortment of Hollywood heavyweights took to the stage Thursday, the last night of the Democratic National Convention, to sing, rock and speak about their support for President Obama.

    With a guitar in hand, James Taylor — the first musical act to appear — was about to begin playing “Carolina in my Mind” in front of a chair onstage when he quipped, “I know it’s an empty chair — makes you nervous, doesn’t it?” before sitting down.

  20. prof, I’m not sure what the O.J. stuff is doing there, but I love the story about the baraber biting the guy’s thumb off.

    “Just a trim, thanks”.

  21. OH good Lord, ROC is going to give us polls for the next 60+ days.

    That will be fun, and as we all know polls are ALWAYS right (at least the ones ROC finds)!

  22. ROC, interesting chart. It is even worse when you put it in the context of the labor participation rate.


    It is the lowest since 1981 according to bloomberg and you can verify on the above site with the drop down chart.

    Over 300,000 people gave up looking for work last month and dropped out of the labor force. This is mainly why the unemployment rate went from 8.3 to 8.1 in August, not for a good reason. Obviously some of this was set happen as baby boomers retired, but the numbers are a serious problem. U6 is probably a better indicator than the rate the press always quotes of where we really are in this recovery.

  23. “Michelle Bachmann. Sarah Palin. Todd Akin. Sharon Angle. Ted Nugent. Christine Quinn. Guess what they all have in common?)”

    They all have an N in their last names?

    Hey Bill speaking of Todd Akin, Claire McCaskill is soooo bad that Akin is down just 1 point in the polls to her, hahahaha.

  24. Bill Courson- I am going to take a stab at your latest question.

    My answer is (in Jeopardy format) “who are 6 people that have never been in my kitchen?”

  25. That’s it, herb, keep punching; your transparancy is palpable. But this is understandable given your incalcitrant racist sentiments; you just don’t know it (yet).

    You really want to be shake your label? DEFEND YOUR RACIST STATEMENT. Don’t offer up a mini treatise on internet ettiquete, that’s only burying you deeper and we an all see through it.

    “One of B’ville most knowledgable posters.” LOL . . . must say, a self-congratulatory racist at that. But aren’t you all!

  26. The “slope-browed knuckle-dragging contingent?” Oh really Courson, sometimes you’re just a laugh riot. Anyway you are to the bearded, avuncular hapless few who similarly may wander through Dunkin Donuts franchises in search of the “mentally ill,” that is. Yes, yours is the path to enlightenment, and I just might thus start growing my own Biblical patriarch-type beard right this very minute in emulation.

    But for anyone with any sense, you simply sound very foolish this nice morn. As usual, I know, but still…(And the Christine Quinn who comes to my mind is the gay, profoundly Democratic City Council head in NYC, which makes me wonder if you ever post with any level of real attention to what you’re writing.)

    And there is such a thing as liberal sludge, croiagusanam. (Though I too have no memory of ever also referring to them as bottom feeders.) They used to appear daily on Air America and many gather here daily, often in a desperate attemot to earn your approbation (or anyway avoud your public disdain) by their own surly attempts at wit.

    Let us admit that all this “debate” won’t change anyone’s mind as to who to vote for. That’s not the purpose of such items nor of anyone’s posts. What is somewhat amusing, however, is how most posters here probably imagine themselves representative of the “real America” that is out there somewhere. Whereas they may not even be representative of Montclair’s electorate if it comes to that.

    You’re all very welcome to the wheezy Courson, however. There’s ever so much zest for democracy and freedom in his constant nonsense.

  27. Cut the BS Herb, defend it . . . “I wonder what the reaction would be if towns decided to start “winding down” MLK Day ceremonies.”

  28. Indeed there is such a thing as liberal sludge, cathar.

    Just as there are such things as knuckle draggers.

    Is there a point you’re trying to make?

    What I see is someone who is intemperate and perhaps lacking in social skills using such terms to describe those with whom he is in disagreement.

    And then there is Courson.

  29. “Michelle Bachmann. Sarah Palin. Todd Akin. Sharon Angle. Ted Nugent. Christine Quinn. Guess what they all have in common?)”

    They have never asked me to join them for a beer.

  30. Am I missing something Silverleaf. Of all the comments on this site over the years that is your smoking gun on Herb?

  31. OK, Leaf I’ll bite. I simply asked the question.

    “I wonder what the reaction would be if towns decided to start “winding down” MLK Day ceremonies”

    Explain how that question in the context of town’s cancelling ceremonies and asking what would people’s reaction be racist? Please explain because admittedly I’m getting bored with you.

    It is quite humorous and hypocritcal accusing someone of racism when they themselves post.

    Mitt Romney and his campaign = Average White Band


  32. “Michelle Bachmann. Sarah Palin. Todd Akin. Sharon Angle. Ted Nugent. Christine Quinn. Guess what they all have in common? ”

    Non opposable thumbs ?

    Sep 4-6, 2012 – Updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change
    Obama Approval52%+3
    Obama Disapproval43%-2
    7-day rolling average

  34. You can almost watch it evaporate with your own eyes

    The chart you shows illustrates that Obama’s chances against Romney going up and down for months. Not sure what you’re trying to say here.

  35. Yeah right herb, “I asked a simple question.” That is EXACTLY what I was expecting, word for word. But alas, not nearly enough wiggle room for the bigoted one.

    Since you are either unable or unwilling (more likely) to explain it yourself, I’ll spoon feed you.

    While you ostensibly asked the question as a benign inquiry, you meant it as a tacitly bigoted and surreptitious claim towards racism.

    And now, not another word out of you.

  36. Ahhh leaf. Glad you got the thesauraus out for that post but you still still didn’t answer my question and I’ve become so bored with you. You must be a regular blast at parties. Toodles.

    “And now, not another word out of you.”
    hahahaha like they say in Japanese スクラッチ行く

  37. These people are nuts. It’s embarassing to even read this stuff.

    WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — The White House says that the August jobs report shows that the nation is continuing to recover, despite more Americans giving up their job search.

    Alan Krueger, chairman for the White House Council of Economic Advisers, writes in The White House Blog that it is “important to not read too much into” just one monthly jobs report.

    “While there is more work that remains to be done, today’s employment report provides further evidence that the U.S. economy is continuing to recover from the worst downturn since the Great Depression,” Krueger explained. “It is critical that we continue the policies that are building an economy that works for the middle class as we dig our way out of the deep hole that was caused by the severe recession that began in December 2007.”

    The unemployment rate fell from 8.3 to 8.1 percent, only because 368,000 people gave up looking for a job.

    Employers only added 96,000 jobs last month, despite analysts predicting some 125,000.

  38. Silver- Isn’t Conan’s use of Rodney King’s words above equally “tacitly bigoted and surreptitious claim towards racism.”

    I think we have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.

    The town is winding down 9/11 ceremonies. To me that is a huge slap in the face. Many of those killed that day hailed from this area. It is inconceivable that the town would want to limit its recognition in any way. It is a national day of remembrance.

    MLK was a great, great American leader. He moved this country forward. MLK Day is, likewise, a national day of remembrance. It is inconceivable that any town would choose to limit that day. It is inconceivable that any town would choose to cancel Veteran’s day or July 4th ceremonies. To me, 9/11 is a national day of remembrance. Not sure how Herb’s comment sets off your alert. Perhaps the mere fact that he chose MLK day instead of Veteran’s day in your mind is proof of a hidden agenda. But, perhaps he chose MLK day because he knows that Montclair would never, EVER, in a million years mess with that day and he is making that point. Hatred and ignorance killed MLK and it killed a lot of innocent people on 9/11.

  39. “Employers only added 96,000 jobs last month, despite analysts predicting some 125,000.”

    We need double the 125,000 figure for a REAL impact to be accurately recorded. Wake me up when that happens.

  40. I’ll add here I fully expect Obama to lose. The American electorate is pretty dumb as a whole, and it doesn’t surprise me that, after eight years of GOP policies destroyed the economy, and four years of the GOP standing by and praying for disaster and not helping at all, voters would put them back in charge again. That’s just how America works.

    But I guess standing by while the economy dies a slow death is understandable — after all, President Obama was mean to them after the election!!

  41. Enough with the name calling on both sides. I think we call agree that we missed the ‘greatest’ depression by mere inches and are paying a HUGE price for it with the debt. No question there.

    So here we are – what to do next and who will do it?

    I look at the two campaigns and I see some real plans from the Dems – spelled out and backed up – are they ‘100% perfect solutions’? No – that is where compromise and Congress step in to balance it out [more on this in a moment].

    From the GOP I hear vague references to what they want to accomplish, but no real details on how they are going to do it. Austerity measures are causing havoc in Europe in many countries and blindly cutting everything could have some very serious consequences. Don’t get me wrong – I think drastic cuts need to made, but the who, what and where all need to be defined carefully and this is again where Congress steps in.

    Congress is a complete f*(king mess. The GOP are more concerned about politics than actually legislating anything. If it even remotely smells of Obama they use every measure to suppress or defeat it. The DEMs are running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Either blindly siding with Obama or picking pointless fights with the GOP and generally embarrassing the party in general. Neither will talk or compromise or settle on anything that will actually benefit the country.

    There is no ‘right’ way to fix the economy and the economy is not the only issue.

    Personally, I think the concept of ‘trickle down’, ‘supply side’ or whatever the ‘in’ term for it is, has been proven not work over and over again. It leads to short term spikes, but cannot carry the load for a long period of time. It just leads to another crash with very few keeping the ‘benefits’ after the crash.

    There is a solution in the middle somewhere and at least Obama has presented some sort of real plan [although it will take a while to really feel it] while all I see from the Romney is a note saying ‘see me after I win and I will let you know’.

    But, I have always been the type to take the longer more correct path than the short term solution to ‘get by’.

  42. newintown, I am quites serious, what are the plans? Taxing the rich? I mean Obamas budget didn’t recieve a single vote in either Houses. His own party can’t even support his budget so I am interested to hear what the plan is and I’m not being sarcastic.

  43. Well, what he is doing now [and I would like to stress that I think the real issue is congress – not the president]. Not renewing the tax cuts, investing in alternative energy sources [and don’t bother with the Solyndra (sp?) argument, bad move – but that doesn’t mean throw out the baby with the bath water], healthcare [which is my #1 concern and this plan based on Republican ideas is not good, but at least getting going in a direction]. Understanding of basic arithmetic [thanks Bill]. Understanding that cutting everything all at once is going kill states, cities, people…

  44. More lies from herb. The budget that was defeated unanimously was put to vote by republicans, using Obama’s numbers but not the policies to get to those numbers. Democrats voted against it for this reason, and republicans voted against it in order to say his budget failed. More idiocy from the party less interested in running the country than making the president look bad.

  45. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney described Obama’s budget as a “balanced approach” to fiscal policy, and called for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to support the plan.

    Defeated in the House 0-414 and the Senate 0-99. That is a fact.

    Twist it as you will but I am once again correct.

  46. The fact is herb, it wasn’t his budget. It was submitted by a republican senator from Alabama, although even that little nugget won’t convince someone who confuses assertions with fact.

  47. “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”
    – Romney pollster Neil Newhouse

    That about says it all – These people have no shame.

  48. Best quote this week:

    “We left him a total mess. He hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough. So fire him and put us back in.”

    William Jefferson Clinton. ( God bless him )

    I had the dubious pleasure of listening to Rush Limbaugh on the car radio yesterday. He couldn’t stop talking about President Clinton’s “bony fingers”. I guess Rush has plump ones? So that’s better? I need some insight! Help me herbie-one, you’re my only hope!

  49. Whatevs. Each side thinks their guy is THE ONE so I have an idea: On Nov. 7, the day after Election Day, let’s meet at a local speakeasy and toss back a couple of cold ones. If your guy wins, it will be a celebratory drink; if your guy loses, it will be a consolation drink. Either way, it’s a win-win situation.

  50. Bad idea, Mrs. Martta The local “progressives (who are really no such thing in terms of either intellectual or philosophical progress) would be just as insufferable after a Romney victory as after an Obama one. I’d rather see a fatwa issued against the lot of them if I could only find an amenable imam.

    Spiro, while I rarely listen to Rush Limbaugh, I suspect he was referencing the old Hoyt Axton song “Bony Fingers.” He’s mentioned he likes Axton’s music once or twice before and the song does have some relevance. Yes, Rush’s own hand digits are probably fatty and spatulate, too.

    But so what? Poor old Courson, for example, always strikes me as immensely ham-handed whenever he posts.

  51. mike 91, johnqp – We should consider ourselves lucky today; herb is just twisting and distorting the facts, not flat-out plagiarizing as he did recently . . .

    POSTED BY jcunningham | August 15, 2012 @ 4:46 pm
    “She dating Bobby Kennedy son, you know the guy pretty much responsible for his wife hanging herself. Another lying sleazeball Kennedy. We all know how the Kennedy men treat women, I feel bad for this one. Get out now !!”

    —Herb, you are now recycling Andrea Peyser columns, for goodness sake. it’s easier to just provide a link than it is to plagiarize.

    here, i’ll show you:



    I mean, do you actually believe this guy? Caught cold in his tracks and he has the chutzpah to continue posting like a mad man as though no one took notice of this. God only knows who else he is quoting and taking credit for. All credibility lost; not that he ever had any with me to begin with. Not only is he a racist, but he’s a plagiarizing racist.

    Thanks jcunningham for the good police work and for exposing herb for the fraud that he is.

  52. Come on guys, you should give Herb a standing ovation. As usual he did a masterful job tweaking the Baristanet libs. He had you guys name calling and cutting and pasting all day. I bet he even raised a bit of blood pressure out there. All this without showing any sign of being rattled…maybe because he is playing you? As the Romans used to say “panem et circenses”.

  53. Easy, steady now ….I do not believe that anyone here is racist – not an accusation to toss around lightly.

    Instead, Herb strikes me as a decent hardworking family man. He’s just been listening to people who have ben on the wrong side of history for the past 30 years or so, that’s all.

    And if there ever IS an election drink get together, I’d be the first to buy Cathar an “Osama Bin Laden”


  54. So cathar, I just finished listening to a bit of “Boney Fingers” – thank you for the suggestion – however, it pales in comparison to anything by Hank Sr. or, for that matter, Keith Whitley.
    Nonetheless, it is reassuringly evocative, much like the rays of sunshine piercing their way through the last remnants of a late day thunderstorm over Kansas. Those long shadows, that magnificent light- dramatically cast over those amber waves of grain – who can ask for anything more?
    No doubt it is a worthy tune, mostly for it’s commercial value as an AM radio jingle for arthritis cream.

  55. Obama gives a sick speech, we knew that after 2004 and 2008. No substance behind it though. The idea is make the election about his personal vision for utopia vs his actual performance and the current sorry state of affairs.

  56. Now that I know that cathar would remain in his basement, swigging Maker’s Mark from a Solo cup and fulminating against “progressives” (which in his mind is anyone who walks erect), I’d certainly join in the election night revel.

    Regardless of which side wins, we’d all learn once again what Plutarch told us long ago, “To find fault is easy; to do better may be difficult.”

  57. I wonder if the nation will follow Montclair in electing people with a proven track record of failure. What has happened to common sense?

  58. ruh-oh. things are about to get nasty.

    President Obama gets a 52 percent approval rating against 43 percent disapproval in Gallup’s daily tracking poll, which surveys 500 Americans a night and averages three days of data. The current tracking poll samples the nights of the Democratic National Convention and represents a major jump for Obama, who has basically been running even on approval in tracking and other major national polls, if not a little underwater.

    “This uptick in these two indicators stands in contrast to tracking during the Republican Convention, during which there was no discernible bounce on the ballot tracking. Gallup does not track other measures on Romney that would be comparable to the job approval figure for Obama,” Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport wrote about the bounce. “The current data are quite preliminary and for the most part don’t reflect the influence of Obama’s late Thursday night speech, if any.”

  59. Flip, Your opinion is such because you apparently agree and sympathize with a racist and plagiarist point of view.

    In case you didn’t know, let me let you in on a little secret . . . Keith Moon died in 1978. As such, your musical commentary is irrelevant and would be infinitely more accurate had you suggested either Neil Peart or Carl Palmer. At least they are still amongst the living!

    And just for laughs, to quote Herb, “bwhahahahah.”

  60. silver…a clearly clueless comeback but thanks for telling me about Keith. No wonder he hasn’t been returning my calls…

  61. Nerdherd wrote:
    “So you tell me Bill, who is the higher intellect? You or the people willing to weigh and measure the candidates as they are vetted in real time and as they are face one another in live debate.

    Nerdherd, everyone deserve a fair hearing, an unbiased and equitable assessment. A dispassionate and cool-headed evaluation. But, what makes you think I’ve not given the opposition such a fair hearing? I believe I have, and have found its arguments pathetically wanting. The voodoo economics of the Republican Party of 1980 remain the voodoo economics of Messrs. Romney and Ryan.

    It’s not a contest between levels of ‘intelligence’ (whatever that might mean), it’s about listening to what is being said and watching what is being done by the candidates.

  62. Before you met anyone else from this site, croiagusanam, I suspect you’d first have to show them that you’re no longer infectious. And with so many nasty things. It often seems to be that you post as if from some distant quarantine station.

    (Where, I now know, you read Plutarch, though to no discernible effect.)

    Oh well, you, Courson and Spiro T. Hardly conjures up he return of Athos, Porthos and Aramis. More like the trio who played the Three Stooges in that recent pallid remake, and no matter who wins the Presidential election. You can share Dunkin Donuts together, which poor old Courson will bring!

  63. Cathar wrote, referring to myself:

    … bearded, avuncular hapless …
    … Biblical patriarch-type beard …
    … Wandering Aengus …
    (not sure why someone supposedly literate would compare me to the Irish god of youth, poetry and love to insult me, but what the heck, I won’t object)
    … You’re all very welcome to the wheezy Courson, however. There’s ever so much zest for democracy and freedom in his constant nonsense…

    In reply, I’ll just point out that coming from you, Mister Cathar Sir, I take all this as a compliment, or at least suggestive of (if not indicative of) the soundness of my thinking.

    There are some folks hereabouts whose agreement, endorsement or respect do I not only not crave, but were I to have it, would cause me to question not only the soundness of my thinking and my own moral compass, but my cognitive integrity as well.

    Translation for knuckle-draggers and true believers : to be called a moron by a moron is not a bad thing.

  64. Your level of “insult” cathar, never very high to begin with, is slipping even further into the juvenile realm.

    Now, its a version of “Ew, you’ve goot cooties”.

    What’s next? The old “your mother…… ” jibes?

    You really are a pathetic old geezer, aren’t you?

  65. Good stuff!

    Last night prof, I saw YOUR mama kicking a can down the road. I asked her what she was doing and she said, “Moving.”

  66. The fun has gone out of lib baiting and bomb throwing for me. It’s like looking around a party and realizing that you don’t really want to be there. I can’t get Herb’s image from an earlier thread out of my mind, and I imagine that the likes of nick, courson, and silver leaf are Jugdiish,Muhammad, et. al., and I’ve just wandered into a really wierd place. Have fun guys, wallowing in in your self imposed misery and white guilt. No reason to play that game. Here’s to change in November, renewal, and a return to the principles of self reliance and Capitalism. Later.

  67. Your lack of self-awareness is truly astounding, Cathar. Judging by your profile picture on Facebook, you’re the one with the wasting disease.

  68. Here’s to change in November, renewal, and a return to the principles of self reliance and Capitalism.

    And there’s no one better to bring back to principle of self-reliance than a millionaire politician’s millionaire son who is hiding his income from the gov’t so he can pass it along to his soon-to-be millionaire kids!

  69. And the problem with that is? So everybody has to be down with the struggle because you are?

    I do think there’s a problem hiding money from the gov’t — we’re all in this together, right? — but my actual point was mocking you saying a millionaire politician’s millionaire son who is hiding money from the gov’t to give to his soon-to-be millionaire kids is going to “return” the principle of self-reliance. Maybe that principle could be returned by someone who, I don’t know, has been self-reliant, ever.

  70. Its amazing how hopeless we have become as a people. The democratic philosophy is to pander to that growing weakness. Its backward, not as backward as the social platform of the conservatives, but still a losing philosophy for sure.

    That aside this race is gross, if you are squarely in the camp of either candidate I feel sorry for you.

  71. The fun has gone out of lib baiting and bomb throwing for me. It’s like looking around a party and realizing that you don’t really want to be there… Have fun guys, wallowing in in your self imposed misery and white guilt. No reason to play that game… Later.

    Congrats, deadeye, you managed to stay away for nearly four hours!

  72. (cro, my poor momma… that “can” was all my daddy left her… Because… Poppa was a rolling stone…)

    Mr. Roo, 4 hours away from B-net is not 4 “human” hours. Like “Dog Years,” hyperlocal blog comment time is 20 mins=a hour.

    So by this “math,” deadeye’s 4 hour break, was really almost 12 hours. And that’s a nice break from the comments here.

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