Montclair Police Makes Multiple Arrests in Connection with Graffiti Vandalism

dapMontclair Police announce charges have been filed against three individuals following a lengthy investigation with assistance from detectives in the Juvenile Aid Bureau into numerous criminal acts of graffiti around town. The arrests were the result of an investigation conducted by our Juvenile Aid Bureau after linking similar markings throughout the Township, Todd Conforti, Deputy Chief of Police reports, adding that the individuals involved in this rash of vandalism caused thousands of dollars of damage to both public and private property.

On 09/13/2013, Emily Westernin, age 21, of Little Falls, was charged with 1 count of criminal mischief. Westernin is known to paint the tag “Void”. Westernin was released on her own recognizance.

On 09/16/2013, a 17 year old Montclair male was arrested as a result of the same investigation and charged with 18 counts of criminal mischief. The juvenile is known to paint the tag “Dap” and was remanded to the Essex County Youth House for processing.

They are reponsible for graffiti on South Fullerton Avenue, Watchung Avenue, Valley Road, Bloomfield Avenue, Bell Street, Claremont Avenue, Bellevue Avenue, Valley Road Train Trestle, Chestnut Street, Upper Montclair Plaza, and Park Street.

voidOn 9/27/2013, a 15 year old Montclair male was arrested in connection with the same investigation and charged with 29 counts of criminal mischief. He is known to paint the tags “Celer” and “Savoe” and is responsible for graffiti on South Fullerton Avenue, Orange Road, Valley Road, North Fullerton Avenue, Park Street, Bloomfield Avenue, Bell Street, Watchung Avenue, Claremont Avenue, Bellevue Avenue, The Crescent, Midland Avenue, Valley/Brookfield Road, Chestnut Street, Chestnut/Forrest Street, and Upper Montclair Plaza. He was remanded to the Essex County Youth House for processing.

The individuals involved in this rash of vandalism caused thousands of dollars of damage to both public and private property. Detectives in the Juvenile Aid Bureau performed commendably in conducting a thorough investigation that resulted in the apprehension of the aforementioned suspects.

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78 COMMENTS

  1. Let’s hope that the parents of these imbeciles are forced to pay restitution to all business and property owners. What a bunch of losers.

    The ‘minors’ mentioned here ought to have their names publicized.

    Good job MPD!

  2. Nanny Goat,

    Your comment is nauseating. A typical example of snooty bourgeois bombast.

    “The minors ought to have their names publicized.” Why, so you and your gossiping cohort can point your haughty fingers at them?

    “Good job MPD!” For what, avoiding real crime so they can arrest a harmless 15 year old kid?

    The imbecility of your words far exceeds that of these kids actions. If you endeavored to remove your inflated cranium from inside of your gentrified ass, you’d see that graffiti is not just the vandalism of “a bunch of losers”. Graffiti is a form of artistic expression and creative protest. The point is to wake people up from their socially induced slumber, and get them to question what they think they know about “wrong” and “right”. In fact, you could use a healthy dose of graffiti yourself. Take the time to understand the destructive corporatist consumerism that writers are remonstrating, and then ask yourself what in this world is actually egregious.

  3. @ooschtin No amount of big-kid words is going to prove your argument. Graffiti is vandalism. You are vandalizing public and private property. No matter what artistic excuse you give, that is what you (by “you” I mean all the Montclair kids who tag) are doing. If your end goal in tagging is to make people question “wrong” from “right,” then you’re not achieving your goal. Maybe you should stop and think if what YOU’RE doing is wrong or right. Do you think the word “Dap” scribbled on the face of a building in Watchung is improving anyone’s lives more than it makes the lives of those who have to pay and work to remove it more difficult? Get over yourselves.
    Tagging is illegal. Whether or not you think it should be is irrelevant. The police are completely within their rights to arrest people for graffiti, and you all look immature and ignorant complaining about it on Facebook.

  4. The vandals should express their artistic protest while punching license plates. If they want to destroy their own property, that’s fine. If they destroy something that belongs to someone else, they should pay for it. And what kind of stupid protest is it to write your name all over the place?

  5. Enlighten us ooschtin, what are these Montclair taggers scribbling on public and private property that “wake people up from their socially induced slumber, and get them to question what they think they know about “wrong” and “right”?

  6. I’m not arguing, I’m attempting to elucidate the intent of street art. Its purpose isn’t to frivolously vandalize, but rather to get people to think, to question the merits of “law”, which authority has conditioned us to uphold as sacrosanct. Is everything illegal inherently wrong? Is everything legal inherently right? Last I checked, our “law-abiding” society is on the brink of social, political, economic, and environmental collapse. Writers are frustrated with society, and their frustration manifests in what you see on the walls around town. Can you really blame them?

  7. Ooschtin

    Perhaps you can start a fund with your own money to clean up after these low-lifes (sorry, I mean ‘aspiring artists’). I am sure that the businesses and individuals that have been unwantedly VANDALIZED would surely appreciate money out of your pocket to pay for these hoodlums’ ‘art.’

    After all, isn’t that what patrons of ‘the arts’ do? Or maybe you can post your address and allow these wonderful, innocent youngsters to vandalize your property and valuables with their ‘art.’ Maybe YOUR property can serve as their wall/canvas.

    Nice to see that we have apologists for future delinquents joining us today. Bad behavior usually starts small….and is too often tolerated by Montclair.

  8. So what, you don’t believe in property rights? You don’t believe that it’s disrespectful for people to deface the property that others paid for and own?

  9. Nanny, you assume that these sub morons have parents, probably not, or are raised by their 30 something grandmothers. Another crop of fatherless lamos most probably. The should be forced to clean up all their messes, especially the tags that are so high up.

    OOschtin, you sound like the vituperative member of the douchebag hall of lame, jc. Given your views on law and rightness I suspect you will be back on Wall St defecating in the name of social justice. Calling these cavonnes “writers” is like calling pebble brains like you “thoughtful”

  10. Ooschtin

    “Its purpose isn’t to frivolously vandalize, but rather to get people to think . . . ”

    Not to “frivolously vandalize”, but vandalize nonetheless.

    If not frivolous then, to what degree is the message of a fifteen year old adolescent written on the side of a building with a can of spray paint to be considered serious-minded?

    To some, like yourself, it may be high-minded stuff “revolutionary” stuff, but to other clear-thinking, law abiding citizens, it is still considered a crime. And a narcissistic one at that.

    BTW, not all writers who are frustrated with society illegally deface public and private property. Some even manage to get published in books and magazines every once in a while.

    When you allow some budding Alexis de Tocqueville to scrawl his message on the side of your home, come back and make your point. The rest is just faux liberal puffing.

  11. Scrawling one’s name on a trestle or garage seems to be a far reach to describe as art. Some of the Shephard Fairey work, on the other hand, is often described as art on unauthorized surfaces and locations.

    I would object to somebody painting their name on my front door, and I’m sure NJ Transit, the town and schools, etc would object to unauthorized painting, too.

    But that presupposes the right to own and limit the use of property, which may not be shared by all the posters on this thread.

  12. I think that the purpose of the kids isn’t to deface private or public property in an attempt to provide local workers with the effort of removing their work off walls. It’s a message that society isn’t doing its job of providing its citizens with a place to be themselves. It’s a message that the youth of these towns and this nation are fighting the authority that abuses its power over them. An example of power abuse and blatant misunderstanding of cause and effect is the desire to lock these kids up for painting a wall with their message or have them “punching license plates”. Do you not agree that what they need is guidance and direction so that they can learn how their actions affect their lives and the lives of others, rather than letting this one mistake ruin what could’ve been the life of an influential mind of the generation. We need to provide them with a community that allows them to flourish and learn rather than punishing them at any given opportunity without giving them the chance to live up to their full potential as a human being. I personally don’t believe that “punching license plates” or labeling them as “juvenile delinquents” and locking them up would teach them very much at all.

  13. writevswrong – No one here said the “purpose of the kids isn’t to deface private or public property in an attempt to provide local workers with the effort of removing their work off walls.” If that were the case, their motivation for doing so would be more egregious than ooschtin’s flawed theory.

    While I agree that “locking these kids up and punching license plates” would certainly be inappropriate, I wouldn’t think about handing them a toothbrush and a bottle of bleach.

  14. I am really torn about this being a life long resident… but DAP … https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dap
    “The knocking of fists together as a greeting, or form of respect”
    Meaning…Hello, Hey man, Hi There, What’s up? …Should you look at this as”ooschtin ” does then it is an extremely symbolic message – “Montclair Open Your Eyes”….but should you look at it as vandalism then it’s no different then “Becky was here”.

    When a graffiti mural was done in Montclair a couple years back https://www.baristanetnew.wpengine.com/2011/11/tribute-to-montclairs-antonio-gayle
    people loved it…yes they had permission, but do you think that was the first time those Artist’s ever had a spray can in their hand?

    “Nanny Goat ” assumes the parents of these kids have money to pay back the business owners & residents…so lets assume the parents must be NYC Executives spending to much time climbing the corporate ladder or maybe one’s at home spending too much time with their Junior League causes to pay attention…On the other hand, maybe these kids parents are struggling, working 2 jobs each to keep their children in Montclair Public Schools…Nice thing about Montclair is there is a wonderful mix of both types of families, but you don’t know which one it is. Either way I don’t think the parents knew what their kids were doing.

    I feel this is a complete lost chance for the MPD & the Montclair community itself. Graffiti is a reformable crime. After the “intensive investigation” MPD had, why not have them voluntarily fix the damage THEY caused. Wouldn’t that build more respect for their community and hey maybe a little for the MPD.

    No they charged them all with Criminal Mischief. With each charge is a possibly 5 years in jail….these kids have dozens of charges against them, so they are looking at their lives spent in jail.
    Thanks Montclair for raising them and then persecuting them

  15. Should they be locked up and labeled delinquents forever and ever? No. Should they have to clean up the mess and/or pay restitution? Absolutely. It’s unfortunate that these young people chose graffiti as the means to “express themselves”. It’s even more unfortunate that some here are defending their actions as art or — even more comically — some sort of inspired civil protest. It’s neither. It’s just graffiti and damaging someone’s property to satisfy a selfish impulse. It’s 2013 — if you’re really interested in getting your voice heard, start a blog, post a video, organize a protest, etc. etc. etc. There are so many ways to be heard and express one’s self. Graffiti isn’t creative — it’s anything but.

  16. I think Nanny Goat’s comment is a brilliant example of everything that is wrong with BaristaNet. Whoever administrates the page permits hate speech that in no way contributes to any sort of intellectual debate on these sorts of columns. In turn these forums are reduced to a bunch of wealthy, suburban, middle-aged gossips griping about the struggles of being so privileged that their only apparent hardship is dealing with defacement of public property in their neighborhood.

    Tell me, Nanny Goat, what would be accomplished by listing the names of the minors involved? Or are you simply suggesting we publicly shame the perpetrators and their families? Do you feel better as a parent/community member knowing that those you hold close to you aren’t “imbeciles” and “losers”? Is there any justification to your seemingly pointless aggression?

  17. We don’t need to have a discussion of the merit of graffiti as an art form. Whether or not it’s art, it’s illegal and defacement of property, and graffiti artists acknowledge that. What we should be discussing is the way we, as a community, handle issues like this. To publicly denounce perpetrators of these crimes is wrong. To process 15 year olds through the Essex County Youth House for defacement is wrong. To offer rewards for information leading to the arrest of graffiti artists who we can presume to be minors who attend the high school is wrong.

    This is not to say that I necessarily can offer a better option. I just think that we don’t need the MPD going further out of their way to process teenagers through the legal system while they still can’t handle any of the car thefts or assaults that Montclair deals with, in spite of the unreasonable sum of tax dollars dedicated to the biennial purchase of a new line of Dodge Chargers.

  18. Now that I understand that “Dap” is a respectful greeting, I feel a little sad to know that a 17-year-old member of our community sent out that message to us almost 20 times, with no evidence that anyone ever sprayed “Dap” on his jacket or forehead or his parents’ garage to return the karma. Well, maybe they are too economically challenged to have a garage. But I feel so put down that an adult from Little Falls seems to feel Montclair is a “void.” I know L/F (Dap! to Fine Grind!) is getting cooler by the day, but it still counts as a putdown when the satellite towns are mocking the center of the universe. I guess if Mr Dap had seen a few more of the “Void” tags he wouldn’t deign to greet us so cordially.

  19. I think dexterloos makes fair points about the need for productive discussion about how these things are handled. I’m all for creative solutions, but there also has to be accountability. Graffiti causes hundreds if not thousands of dollars of damage to people’s property. To pretend that those who complain about it are simply over-privileged suburbanites is as unproductive as suggesting that 15-year old graffiti “artists” should be thrown in prison. It seems to me that you have to address three issues:
    1. Restoring the damaged property
    2. Imposing some sort of additional penalty as a deterrent
    3. Working with the young person to get them on a better track
    The first two could be achieved through fines and/or community service. The last could be tackled via mentoring programs. If those programs don’t currently exist, we should explore getting them started.

  20. I was speaking rashly and I apologize, but I couldn’t think of a better way to respond to Nanny Goat’s deeply offensive response than to speak in a manner that made an equally offensive and sweepingly general claim about people of her presumed demographic.

  21. As a Montclair stay at home mom, I have seen graffiti in almost every part of Montclair when driving around on my daily errands. I also have two one year old twins, and thought Montclair was safe environment for my children to grow up. After these graffiti vandals DAP and CELER/SAVOE destroyed Montclair, I may have to rethink my family’s location. No one individual is safe when these individuals are free to roam Montclair and I hope they have been provided ankle bracelets forcing them on house arrest while awaiting trial!

    PS: The only message could these adolescents graffiti mean to me is “Hey, I’m really stupid.”

  22. A teenager who’s held accountable for defacing property will realize there is behavior that will not be tolerated–an important lesson on the way to becoming a responsible adult. Wanting to excuse such behavior in the name of art is very misguided

  23. At the end of the day this is self destruction at its best. They will pay the price and it will be just as bad as prison. Who would ever hire these losers? In an already competitive market place people like this have no shot.

  24. Graffiti: Paint it over immediately. IMMEDIATELY. If you see it you must eliminate it, without waiting. No waiting to catch the person who spray painted it, no waiting. Cover it up and keep covering it up. Zero tolerance, even for a day.

    This and only this deters them.

    At the same time the MPD will do its job and as shown in the cases of these three individuals, identify them and have them face the consequences. Repeat offenses garner more serious consequences. They’ll get it.

    This is our town, we take care of it properly then people will get the right impressions. Just like if yard after yard were unkempt, and house after house were in need of paint and repairs, the state of our physical plant leaves impressions, on us and on visitors. We sweep up broken glass on our sidewalks, we cut the grass … and we remove graffiti. If someone else has defaced your property, this is unfortunate; now man up and remove the graffiti.

  25. Jannet, of all the crime in the area it’s the graffiti that’s making you rethink your family’s location?

  26. Seems like the name of one of the vandals is spelled incorrectly: “Emily Westerinen” is more likely correct.

  27. dexterloos makes a good point, there are a few crazy people blogging and posting here. You cannot always cross the street to get out of their way, especially when they claim to own the street and brag about their house on it.

    Those that have visited the Berlin Wall, before or after its fall, will know that graffiti is both a form of protest and a form of art. It is a deliberate attempt to deface property, and it is deeply rooted in our culture. Making a splash and DAPs about arresting three kids is likely only to encourage those already engaged in the activity.

    Naming and shaming is destructive to a community and one should reflect harder on the outcomes before making such suggestions. Also, there are people in the community, who (through no fault of their own) have been given a toothbrush and a bottle of bleach and told to clean something up (at times things far more abhorrent than graffiti). Perhaps be more sensitive and considerate before making such offensive statements. You probably do not understand the mindset of people that impose that kind of punishment today.

    The MPD has done its job here. But this is nothing great and it will have no significant affect on crime in Montclair. The fact that young people in Montclair still migrate to these activities is indicative of greater problems in the village. Perhaps this is why so many people are offended by a petition that asks responsible citizens to be silent when they see the leaders in education contributing to the failures.

    Finally if this is truly a village, truly a community, the attitude that “my children are holy and good and yours are bad and should be shamed” has no place. This is a collective problem and it can best be solved by a collective response.

  28. They seem to have no problem defacing someone’s truck (probably the truck he or she drives every day to a highly paid bourgeois job on Wall Street). How much do you think it cost to remove that paint?
    Let’s hear from the parents. Tell us how proud you are of these artistically talented children.

  29. The youth of today have a massive white space to air their grievances and make their social and political views heard without defacing property — it is called the Internet. So shout from the highest mountain with your Twitter account, write your manifesto on Tumblr, paint your Berlin Wall on Instagram, and broadcast your best rant on YouTube. You will reach a much wider audience than those strolling through Montclair, and if you do this from our free public library, you can put all of that money spent on paint to better use.

  30. Your theory on “The Modern Suburban Community As Global Village” is flawed, idratherbeat63. Even in the most primitive of cultures accountability is built into the code of conduct.

    You lost me when criticizing my “toothbrush and bottle of bleach” proposal. Please clarify.

  31. Graffiti is annoying, its expensive to clean up and almost always an aesthetic disaster. That said, it is not violent crime against another person and can usually be cleaned up.

    The worrisome thing about people who commit these acts (and frankly what makes them very dangerous people) is the totally screwed up decision making process that prevails.

    The fact that they are willing to risk arrest, penalty, etc essentially throwing away or severely hindering their ability to enter today’s conventional workforce is very alarming. This is only a sign of worse things to come for these people.

  32. silverleaf, point taken on the code of conduct. There is always individual responsibility. But the DAPs here and the attempts by a few to use this as a mob scene for naming and shaming is really unacceptable. Why someone wants to work so hard to damn a 21-year-old is beyond my comprehension.

    More importantly, these three arrests only serve to help identify the problem. The problem remains, largely unaddressed. And this is something we need to do collectively.

    The toothbrush punishment is real and it comes from one of the darkest places inside us. Don’t go there. Ever.

  33. Honestly, some of the comments on here are ridiculous. Are we seriously equating Montclair’s graffiti by bored/misbehaving kids to protest statements on the Berlin Wall?!? Some of you would excuse anything and wring your hands over how we’ve “failed” as a community. Give me a break! Kids inevitably test boundaries and need to learn that what they did was unacceptable and will not be tolerated. As a former teacher, I found that many of my “troubled” students were CRAVING clear, consistent rules from the adults in their lives. You’re not doing any young person a favor by justifying their misbehavior, explaining it away as “art”, or making silly connections to communist dictatorships. We’re a community that has rules of what’s okay and what’s not okay. It’s not okay to spray paint all over someone else’s property. Twisting ourselves into knots over whether these young people should be punished is absolutely ridiculous. Of course they should be! And, if they also need mentoring or help finding other outlets to express themselves, we should try to meet those needs as well. Tough love works wonders.

  34. “The toothbrush punishment is real and it comes from one of the darkest places inside us. Don’t go there. Ever.”

    Fine, give them a larger brush. But being an adult means taking personal responsibility for your actions and making things right. If you tag it, you should clean it up.

    As for the reluctance to “name and shame”, the same rules apply to all adults in our society, and we shield those who we do not deem mature enough to fully understand the implications of their actions. We name business leaders, politicians and pillars of our communities who break laws, and rightly so. In many cases, I believe transparency is a stronger deterrent than financial penalties. And I don’t believe in cherry picking to whom this standard applies.

  35. wow44, understood and appreciated. Tough love works well in movies and perhaps in your household.

    You might want to consider that there was no graffiti on the “communist dictator” sides of the wall. Only on the “free democratic” sides. Yes, tough love does work wonders. And at what a cost!

    Denying that graffiti is a form of protest, that it is symptomatic of deeper problems in society, and that it is a form of contemporary art is . . . denying much reality.

    Yes, children need rules. But taking a ruler to their backsides won’t work. They also need guidance and they need to be able to express themselves. All healthy children break rules. No one is saying simply to forgive them. But naming and shaming, taking out the frustrations of your touch love on three young people, will do nothing to solve the problem of graffiti in Montclair.

  36. idratherbeat63 – How dare you imply that I meant the term to be tied to racism!

    My “toothbrush and bleach” proposal derives from US military KP or “kitchen patrol” duty, often administered as punishment for committing minor infractions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KP_duty

    Don’t ever make assumptions about me. You got that?

  37. idratherbeat63, I’m not talking about corporal punishment or throwing them in prison. I’m talking about making them clean up the mess, doing additional community service, and having a frank conversation about why they thought it was desirable, necessary, or justified to spray paint all over someone’s property. If they need help figuring out other ways to be creative or expressive, by all means let’s have that conversation. What I’m not interested in is patting them on the head, doing an art critique of their work, and saying that we must have failed them somehow. That’s BS on every level and no one knows it better than the kid.

    I think you misunderstand what I mean by “tough love”. It doesn’t mean heavy handed authoritarianism. It means having high expectations, rules, and accountability. It also means loving someone and working with them to reach their goals. Tough love = happy, productive kids, employees, whatever. When people know you care and demand better from them, they demand better of themselves. It’s not a Hollywood fantasy.

  38. silverleaf, it was not an assumption about racism. Apologies. It has nothing to do with racism. I wanted to point out that people in our community have been forced to clean with “a toothbrush and bleach” in circumstances other than you considered. It is offensive. Enough said.

  39. Silverleaf you send jabs to posters all the time calling them racists. why is that okay for you to make assumptions about others but not have them made about you?

    on this matter – we have numerous artistic outlets where teens can be creative without having to paint “savoe” on the stop sign on my street or on the train tressel over valley road. they should be punished, forced to clean it up (toothbrushes and bleech are okay) and do other forms of community service. the 21 year old should get a harsher sentence but something short of jail. they can protest without ruining personal and community property and making the town look like an inner city. this is not west berlin in 1982.

  40. wow44, thanks. Fully agree. I might just replace “demand” with “expect.” And in this case I would simply call it “love.” Nothing tough about that.

  41. It’s “art” until someone tags your home, your car, or public places where you like to hang out. I’m not denying the artistic expression but why not express yourself on a canvas or your own property instead of vandalizing someone else’s? Someone, somewhere has to pay to have this cleaned up. We all pay for it in some way or another in the long run.

    As for naming names, I am all for it. Old enough to commit the crime, then you are old enough to have your name in the paper. Man (or woman) up! Don’t hide behind Mommy or Daddy’s back.

  42. idratherbeat63 – “The toothbrush punishment is real and it comes from one of the darkest places inside us.” You erroneously assumed it was a racist comment.

    cspn55 – Yes, I send jabs to posters all the time. It is not ok for posters to make inaccurate assumptions about me because my postion on racism has always been unequivocally clear here. I do not tolerate it.

  43. silverleaf, first you misunderstood. Now you are simply wrong.

    But I will (try and) make it clear. I did not accuse you ever in any way of being a racist. It never even entered my mind. I did not then and I do not now or at any time even consider your comment about the toothbrush to be racist. It does, however, allude to place worse even than racism. I thought to caution you, that is all.

  44. adrather – Hmmm, I wonder then what could you have meant by “Don’t go there. Ever”.

    While you continue to allude to it, you have not yet told us what you in fact meant by it.

    Once you chose to do so, it may more clearly define your position.

  45. Wow! What great responses to my original post. After reading through much of the nonsensical drivel on here, I am even more confident in my conclusion that these offenders are imbeciles and losers.

    They are their parents should be held 100% responsible for their property damage and they should be publicly shamed. I don’t give a damn if mommy or daddy needs to work overtime to pay for it. You do the crime, you do the time (or pay for it).

    Nice to see our community’s outpouring of support for offenders and criminals. No wonder Montclair did not make the top 100 town list.

    I am not saying these idiot kids and their knucklehead parents need to be sent to Guantanamo. They just need to own up to their defacement of our town, with an explicit understanding of actions and consequences. That’s how society works.

    These kids are losers. End of story. Maybe they can shape up. Or maybe they will become part of the list of violent scumbags we read about committing terrible crimes in Montclair (probably not, but a path to crime starts with small acts). Let’s hope they get set in the right direction.

  46. @nannygoat:

    “imbeciles”

    “bunch of losers”

    “imbeciles and losers”

    “idiot kids”

    “knucklehead parents”

    “These kids are losers”

    “violent scumbags”

    —you are really angry about something—allegedly graffiti—you need to get a hold of yourself—then again, it’s easy to overreact when you can do so comfortably behind a phony name…

  47. I am appalled that some of you could not believe in my opinions. As a parent, I need to think about my children’s futures and well beings. But after this, I have now have fear for me and my family knowing these individuals are free to walk. A good punishment for theses graffiti artist would be stamping “Look I’m Stupid” on the forehead with permeant ink. Now that would be a lesson and we as a community would know the culprits!

  48. “jcunningham”, perhaps you should state your name, age, street address, telephone number,SS#, mothers maiden name and place of employment with each post… unless, of course, you’d rather post behind the veil of such a “phony name.”

  49. This is completely stupid. I know that these kids have been trashing the town but you people (and the MPD) are being a bit harsh. This could be simple for the vandals and the MPD if they just cleaned up the mess they made. Its as simple as that. Nothing more, nothing less.

    P.s. – I don’t understand why the MPD is wasting their time chasing after these kids when they can’t even handle the situation down on mission street. If anything, these shootings are giving montclair a bad reputation rather then the graffiti. when a person from another town is going to talk about Montclair, they’re going to talk about, “did you hear about the shooting on Montclair??” Not “have you seen all the graffiti in Montclair”. Think about it people.

  50. The MPD is not wasting anyone’s time. It’s their job to go after people who break the law. These kids broke the law. Granted, they didn’t shoot anyone but it’s still defacing property. Why can’t you see that?

    Some of you posters remind me of the parents who defended the kids who broke into an ex-NFL football player’s house in upstate NY and totally trashed it, causing $200,000 worth of damage. When he called them out on their actions, all of a sudden, HE was the bad guy. What a screwed up world we live in.

  51. “Some of you posters remind me of the parents who defended the kids who broke into an ex-NFL football player’s house in upstate NY and totally trashed it, causing $200,000 worth of damage. When he called them out on their actions, all of a sudden, HE was the bad guy. What a screwed up world we live in.”

    I don’t think it is all that screwed up, I think the world wide web has added an interesting dimension where we now hear and know about idiots such as those defacing property with graffiti. Who doesn’t google someones name nowadays before hiring them?

    Listen kids, think before you make decisions that will haunt you forever. Hope it was worth it and good luck getting a job, ever.

  52. “stayhyphy”, Since two of these vandals are under the age of 21, their names will not be provided and linked with these arrests when whoever is hiring them searches their names on google.

  53. takeit2. Most employers perfrom criminal background checks, I think some even perform juvenile records checks. Depending upon the judge, extent of crime, etc graffiti can be a felony which will be on your record for some time if not forever.

    The broader point is the carelessness that people exhibit in committing these acts. Why risk your future at all? Its not like they are stealing food to eat or feed their children. It is just a senseless, pointless, no value add act.

    The stupidity is insane.

  54. Sometimes this is ..well …just silly. Most graffiti is gang related tagging of territory. Gee, marking territory, like we’re immune from the natural urges. Civilization is bringing rule to those urges. Tagging my property and I catch you could bring very serious consequences since I will defend my territory. You want to be an artist, fine..you want to spread dissidence on my property without asking if it’s a dissonance I agree with…you’re a criminal.

    It’s quite simple really, between the ages of 0-21/2 is all cuddles and the basics, 2 1/2-4 is the time to test limits and the time to teach there are limits….you fail those and you end up with a spoiled brat. Then you blame teachers for the problems while hamstringing the teachers to approach a viable plan to straighten out the monster you created. Add to the mix a mathilda clone, like idratherbeat63, only as a social conscience that’s a loblolly of butterflies and fairies (instead of the environment conscience)… multiply by a factor of 4, and wahla … you have the misconception of a trophy for everyone. Don’t hurt their self-esteem just cause they said “hi there” in spray paint on the side of your truck…pat them on the back for rebelling against the machine. What a bunch of, to put it in the vernacular of our “I’m a fighter, not a bully” governor… You must be stupid to think these numbnuts aren’t just idiots when then they paint things on other people’s property; because it is another symptom, just not the one idratherbeat63 would profess.

  55. . . . . and speaking of idratherbeat63, we continue to await the reason why s/he was offended when I suggested that these taggers be given a toothbrush and bottle of bleach to clean up the mess they’ve made here in town.

  56. Right Cro. I read your back-and-forth with idrather in yesterdays “Montclair Parents Create Petition Calling For Civility, Respect and Patience in the District” post.

    Still scratching my head on point s/he was trying to male re profiling on Church Street.

  57. I, too, am totally confused at idrather’s problem with “toothbrush and bleach”. I googled that phrase and all that came up is reference to sterilizing toothbrushes or concerns about brushing teeth with bleach.

  58. – I believe that since it is only a first offense for these teenagers, they will be let off with a criminal record and a few days worth of community service. Unlike “void” who is 21. She will get a much harsher consequence.

  59. “Unlike “void” who is 21. She will get a much harsher consequence.”

    I think thats correct and the appropriate outcome. Its interesting that despite overwhelming evidence that a criminal record hinders ones ability to land a job people still chose to engage in acts the result in a criminal record. I just don’t get it.

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