Gov. Christie, Rand Share Opposing Views on Ferguson

Gov. Christie, Rand Share Opposing Views on FergusonGiven the protests in the wake of a police shooting in Ferguson, Mo., and in the wake of a new federal report finding civil rights abuses in the Newark Police Department, NJ Spotlight’s Matt Katz asked Gov. Chris Christie on Friday if he thought there was a general problem in this country with the way police deal with young African American men and teenagers. Christie said:

Listen I think it’s very dangerous to make generalizations about anybody like that, Matt. We have millions of dedicated men and women who are police officers across this country, who work in grave danger every day, who try to make sure they protect innocent people across the country. So I’m not going to get into this game of generalizing and characterizing people in that way. Everybody should be judged on their merits. Whatever happened in Ferguson, we have a justice system in this country that will be able to make that judgement and if there are people who need to be held accountable I’m confident they will be. But I’m not going to get into this business of generalizing against law enforcement officers. It’s not right.

NJ Spotlight also shares how Christie’s potential rival in the GOP presidential primary, Sen. Rand Paul, has taken an opposing view in Time, saying the protests in Ferguson were a direct result of the increasing “militarization” of police, which is a “systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.”

Yesterday President Obama delivered a statement and provided an update on the situation in Ferguson, Missouri and the federal investigation into the tragic death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

I’ve said this before — in too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. In too many communities, too many young men of color are left behind and seen only as objects of fear.

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26 COMMENTS

  1. HUH?

    Christie was answering a question about the shooting whereas Rand’s comment was about the “militarization” of police. I don’t believe Rand offered this view in a direct answer to the same (or similar) question to Christie. Moreover, Rand has been, along with Corey Booker, have been working on reforming the criminal justice system, so his piece in Time was a much broader view of ALL of the circumstances that came together in Furgeuson. Christie, was answering just one part of it.

    This is a nuance that matter, and one I would expect a journalist to see. Instead we get more of the THEM VS. US crap that doesn’t do anything but continue to have folks in their corners, shouting at each other.

    As for Obama, I only wonder why he and his Attorney General have remainder silent in action in the MANY black kids killed almost daily in Chicago. But this case (which should also be investigated) seems to matter more than all those other.

    For me, this Summer has (unfortunately) proved to me that my fears of Mr. Obama’s desire, and ability to lead. And it appears I’m not alone:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/us/aloof-obama-is-frustrating-his-own-party.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMedia&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

  2. You’d have a point prof, if the governor attempted to answer the question. He did not.

    Nor does he dare give the obvious answer: Yes, in some parts of the country (especially in Missouri, which has a long history of racial tension) there is an issue with way police forces view african-american teenagers. There are reams of evidence to support this opinion, as I’m sure you know.

    But you, like the Gov, are too caught up in partisan politics to acknowledge even this obvious problem. So, dancing. And in comparison to Obama’s statement, which is as close to the truth at a politician can get, Christie looks like a coward.

  3. It might be the sand in my toes, but I have no idea what you’re talking about, Mike.

    The obvious problem being what exactly? In Ferguson, Black folks are 2/3 the population, yet barely voted, thus creating a “white” dominated power structure. Why? Because they didn’t VOTE!!! Or, if by obvious you mean the continued criminalization of Black skin, I’d ask you to do a search here on me screaming about Stop and Frisk. I don’t believe all cops are bad, I do understand their deep desire to get home at night, which might make some more likely than not to shoot first– I’m reminded of that rap lyric, “I’d rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6.” Yet, I also know that rather than submit to a cop (as many young Black men are taught), mouthing off, or disobeying might get you in trouble. The issue remains, that when a Black kid encounters a cop, he or she has NO idea if the cop is a good one (with experience), or a bad one.

    So please, give it up with your dumb, dumb, dumb, idea that I am a conservative because I’m disappointed with the guy I voted for twice. Or that I don’t understand race, racism, or being born a suspect (getting pulled over twice in a month, a mile from my Estate in Montclair might have been a reminded had I not already known this).

  4. Prof, did Christie answer the question? If you think that he did, then I don’t know what to say. And blaming “not voting” on the shooting of an unarmed teenager is a new one.

    As for you being a conservative, it really is laughable. You use the “I read the New York Times” and “I voted for Obama twice” crap to give yourself cover. You’re as reliable as a stopped clock for spouting the conservative party line in every one of these threads. Let’s not kid ourselves.

  5. “I find (Christie)’s answer very revealing, and not just because he has something of a personal interest in sucking up to law enforcement these days. If events in Ferguson continue to deteriorate, and if other Fergusons pop up elsewhere in the country in the places where the same social and political tinder has been piling up for decades, waiting for a spark, there’s going to be space out there for a law-and-order authoritarian bully of a candidate to embody the collective fears and hatreds of nervous white people. If nothing else, that is right in Christie’s wheelhouse. In fact, it may be the easiest way he has to deal himself fully back in.”—Charles Pierce

  6. Every time I come here and there is a lead article like this I just wince. And move on. There are literally 1000s of websites where you can debate Obama, Christie, Rand, etc. on Ferguson and all sorts of issues. The same 9 people come out here and post the same stuff on these issues time and again. They have for years. Tiresome and well beyond predictable. Frankly I’d much prefer if this blog focused instead on a new restaurant opening. So much non stop political posturing you just can’t get away from it anywhere. . . .

  7. @yougotta …Articles about restaurant openings get 2 responses…articles like this get 60. It’s all about hits for advertising revenue…just like Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. Doesn’t seem to matter that it’s the same 9 people multiple times…..

  8. “And blaming “not voting” on the shooting of an unarmed teenager is a new one.”

    – tell that to everyone who has not only linked but has blamed events such as this one on the “white power structure” that is in place

    @yougotta …I generally agree, I usually try to step in and cut off the comments on threads like this.

    Lets shut this down here please. Thanks.

  9. @profwilliams please refrain from calling(generalizing) brown people as black people. If you wish to identify someone who is African American then do so. By default you fall into the old man category which arranged for the easy racialized mind frame of color rather than humanity. That is why men of color are often labeled as black rather than the actual color they may be(as trivial as that is…brown). And if you must identify an american who is Black as oil then feel free, but beyond that deliver us substance. @GovChristie isn’t responsible for institutionalized racism which created these silly and inaccurate color labels yet he accepts them for reality when he admits the word black as a description for a group of people of color. Rand Paul is responding to people who use these labels and trivial group associations(because we’re all Americans) by pointing out that these people representing the racialized component have become reflective of an system which employs individuals and the collective whole.

  10. Just so I’m clear here, the libs and whatever the hell NJ Spotlight is are giving CC grief for not willing to generalize the police, due to the actions of a few? So with that stupid logic in mind, guess it would be OK then for him – or anybody for that matter – to generalize a minority faction due to the actions of a few? That about right? Idiots.

  11. @montclairdad it is generalizations which have united hateful subgroups together for so long, which is why I refer to them as old people. With each generation borne of these subgroups there will be someone who chooses to continue to bear the burden of their fore-bearers by adopting the value systems of their subgroup. You may call them idiots, but unfortunately they are also Americans. If Chris Christie will put up with Jamie Foxx’s personality he obviously hasn’t completely fully accepted the mindset of these competing subgroups. But it’s not like he isn’t aware of their existence, or the language familiar to both groups of hateful old people. I’m a millennial so the more I hear of these older generation’s carry overs it seems as though the language and affiliations used by these people need to be discontinued so as we can forcibly move them past their reference point in history.

  12. gif – Seems you are overexposed to the wrong “old hateful people.” This sort of language is not at all age limited. Unfortunately, I hear millenials making racist comments all to often.

  13. Just so I’m clear here, the libs and whatever the hell NJ Spotlight is are giving CC grief for not willing to generalize the police, due to the actions of a few?

    Again, did he answer the question? Why didn’t he say, “No, there is no general problem with how police view african american teens.”?

  14. @silverleaf that may be the case but we know old people are responsible for exposing people to the behavior I’ve said should be discontinued. Just mentioning that there is a problem doesn’t isolate the source of it’s solution. People in general need to be cognizant of what they’re doing and that their functional capacity may be limited to dysfunction. At least at that point they would know that they are simply reacting to post racial America, and haven’t done anything aside from draw attention to their state of dysfunction. I may be overexposed to old people, but their still alive and so we have to deal with the conditions and problems that they present to us.

  15. “So much non stop political posturing you just can’t get away from it anywhere. . . .”

    —yeah, boy, it’s rough when they put that gun to your head and force your to read the comments section, eh?

    “Lets shut this down here please”

    —i know! it’s sooo scary here, isn’t it? mommy, mommy, please stop me from reading any more!

  16. gif – Reread your post. You referred to them as “old hateful people.”
    Your use of language and prose style prohibits ease of comprehension.

  17. @silverleaf “hateful old people” not “old hateful people” you are a liar. And regardless of the fact that some are hateful old people they are “united hateful subgroups.” “Hateful old people” are a subgroup of Americans. Deal with it.

  18. @silverleaf your inability to accurately use quotations and then lie about what is still posted for all to see defies no one’s comprehension but your own. Language and prose aside you have blatantly lied to me.

  19. “Lied” – What on earth?

    “Old hateful people” . . . “hateful old people” – explain the difference to us if you would, gif.

    Last time I engage you. Midday drinking and posting hazardous to your credibility.

  20. @silverleaf you’ve covered your lies with additional lies. People have rioted and broken the law because they cannot represent themselves properly using words; that is criminal behavior. You do not represent “US” or America, you are an individual and your views and opinions are protected by the U.S. Constitution, including lying. That in itself is what separates the dysfunctional and functional in America, the realization and acknowledgement that the order of law allows people to hide behind lies, and old hateful people ideology which supports criminal behavior. So what if you can’t accept the Constitution, you’re not going to destroy it by yourself, you’re delusional.

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